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From "Carsten Ziegeler" <>
Subject RE: protected vs private instance members (in Woody)
Date Tue, 08 Jul 2003 06:15:58 GMT
Vadim Gritsenko wrote:
> Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
> <snip/>
> >I hope this makes sense :) if not at all, we can revert it.
> >
> Not exactly; see Sylvain's response and in addition to it please recall 
> a vote about flow model "add only very necessary things instead of 
> adding all and everything you can think of" (majority agreed with the 
> vote). Parallel between this flow vote and java private/protected 
> members is easy to see: have everything private and open up only very 
> necessary stuff. And, preferably, open up via accessor methods.
This is really an interesting topic to discuss :)

Now, I don't agree :) I think the contract we define is based on
Interfaces and perhaps on abstract implementations, but not on
concrete implementations. You can't guarantee that an implementation
does not change over time.

Some examples: assume you use an int as an instance variable and
change it later on to an object (Integer). Now, it's regardless
if you make the variable private and have a getter method or
did make it protected.

Or assume, we change from Composable to Serviceable which is a very
legal change for an implementation. Even a getter method for the
component manager does not help as when implementing Serviceable
you don't have a component manager.

So, I think implementations can change incompatible over time and
if someone relies on the implementation he has to change its
implementation as well. The contracts (like the above mentioned fom)
are defined by interfaces.


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