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From Gianugo Rabellino <>
Subject Re: [RT] Webdavapps with Cocoon
Date Mon, 28 Jul 2003 17:02:45 GMT
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:

>> Way cool, Guido !
>> But the bad thing about WebDAV on Windoze (aka "webfolders") is that 
>> it's not a real filesystem : you cannot open the file directly from 
>> there, but only copy/paste it on a "real" filesystem. Or did I missed 
>> something ?
> no, you are right, webforlders suuuuuuuuuuuuck! and they are as buggy as 
> hell, expecially if you do webdav over https with digital certificates. 
> forget it, you have to use a commercial application (don't remember its 
> name).

Could it be Xythos WebFile Client?

>> Quick update about the CVSSource : I did a major rewrite for one of 
>> our projects (Gianugo : it's a CMS using dynamically-generated sxw 
>> files to edit content!), and it's now an Excalibur Source and supports 
>> crawling the version history (only on the main branch), tagging, cache 
>> validity, etc. I committed this new version this morning on 

OK, you made me drool. I'm updating it right away. :-) Since during this 
weekend I rewrote the repository part of Linotype for that, I want to 
see if it works on CVS too. And the next step is trying Guido's davmap 
example... it would be *extremely* cool!

> sure, but will be up to you do decide how to write your webdavapp. 
> that's the point: cocoon should provide you the low level components and 
> you compose them as you like.

And please, think about not necessarily using flow. :-)

> But just as the aggregator is just a special generator, I was thinking 
> of introducing the concept of an extractor which is just a generator but 
> that expects serious payloads that contain inforamation that might be 
> needed by the sitemap/flow to process the request (NOTE: both the 
> sitemap and flow DO NOT have access to the pipeline content directly, 
> and this should *NOT* change! this is the reason why we should introduce 
> this 'extraction' concept)

I'm starting to see some light. Care to come up with an example?

>> In other words, streamed requests aren't so much different from 
>> regular requests : it's just that incoming data is more complex and 
>> that decoding is not handled transparently by the servlet engine. Once 
>> decoded, the processing model can be the same as usual.
> Hmmm, hmmmm, hmmmm, you are triggering second order thinking.... 
> hmmmm... I need a whiteboard... I'll be back soon.

Can't wait. :-)


Gianugo Rabellino
Pro-netics s.r.l. -
Orixo, the XML business alliance -
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