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From "Christopher Oliver" <>
Subject RE: Syncing rhino
Date Tue, 24 Jun 2003 20:48:14 GMT
Although I think it would be nice to sync with the Rhino cvs, I can tell
you from personal experience that the Rhino code at is
more stable than Cocoon itself at this point.

So I think trying to place the blame on Rhino for not using the flow is

You also need to take into account that the Cocoon community is much
stronger than the one supporting Rhino. Basically there are only two
Rhino committers, Igor Bukanov and Norris Boyd, and only one (Igor) is
currently active. 



-----Original Message-----
From: Gianugo Rabellino [] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: Syncing rhino

Geoff Howard wrote:

>> This is good news. I understand that it's very difficult, but I hope 
>> that it might be easier than you think, and I hope I can somehow help

>> you in that. Anyway, given that you are the only one showing some 
>> interest, I'm starting to think that I'm just being paranoid...
> You are not being paranoid.  I have been uneasy about the forked rhino

> code but  have kept quiet because I'm such a junior member of this 
> community, because I personally did not feel able (time or knowledge 
> wise) to help fix the situation, and because I am so behind on really 
> understanding flow and continuations.  But I think the longer we go on

> building on this sand the more trouble we will be in when the
> happens.  I for one am reading every word you two write.

Thanks for supporting my position. :-) Just to make things clear, I want

to stress that I have the highest respect for what Christopher has 
brought us so far: it's an impressive work, and it surely paved the way 
to a brighter future in web applications. I also fully understand his 
lack of resources/time to follow ATM the Rhino development

However, I'm at a crossroads now: I have to decide wether limit myself 
to keep an eye on the flow or place a bet and use it for my daily job. 
Having such a core functionality rely heavily on an _unreleased_, _old_ 
and _third party_ software (though quite stable) is refraining me from 
using it more seriously. I might even say that, while not blocking the 
beta, this might be considered a showstopper for a final release of the 

What I'm trying to do, here and now, is help wherever I can: I lack the 
skills and knowledge to approach right now such hard core stuff, so I'm 
willing to do whatever I can to ease other's efforts. Succeeding in 
having the continuations code in the Rhino tree will be a major success 
and overhaul for the Cocoon flow. Even greater would be having a 
community ownership on the flow as a whole, including the javascript 
core stuff.


Gianugo Rabellino
Pro-netics s.r.l. -
Orixo, the XML business alliance -
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