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From "Geoff Howard" <coc...@leverageweb.com>
Subject RE: Cocoon and upgrading to Fortress
Date Sat, 14 Jun 2003 13:30:07 GMT
Thanks Berin & Neeme.  Sounds like a move to Fortress after 2.1
is a great move.  Maybe the process of the move itself will be
helpful to me (and others) in getting my head around the container
more.

Geoff

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Neeme Praks [mailto:neeme@apache.org]
> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 8:58 AM
> To: cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Cocoon and upgrading to Fortress
>
>
>
> And, I would draw the following comparison: Fortress is to ECM what
> Merlin will be for Phoenix.
> * ECM is embeddable, so is Fortress
> * Phoenix is stand-alone server, so is Merlin
> * and, you can use Fortress inside Merlin (for component management),
> but not the other way around
> (of course it is probably possible to embed Merlin's component manager
> in Cocoon, but that doesn't make much sense without the rest of Merlin,
> IMHO),
>
> Rgds,
> Neeme
>
> Berin Loritsch wrote:
>
> >> - What is Merlin in comparison to Fortress?  IIRC I have seen proposals
> >> to move to this in the past. (I have the feeling I am stepping into
> >> something on this one - I am truly ignorant).
> >
> >
> > There are a couple things to consider:
> >
> > 1) Fortress is released, and it was designed to help people migrate
> >    from ECM based solutions.
> >
> > 2) Fortress allows you to slowly migrate to solutions where you have
> >    default components--which means you can bypass the ServiceSelector
> >    step if you only use one DataSourceComponent.  Fortress will make
> >    sure that components designed for both situations will continue
> >    to work.
> >
> > 3) Merlin is not released yet--it is fully functional, and there is
> >    alot to like about it, but it is not officially supported yet.
> >
> > 4) Merlin was not designed to help people migrate from ECM based
> >    systems like Cocoon.  You can consider Fortress to be a stepping
> >    stone towards a more compatible future.
> >
> > I am not dogging Merlin.  I am saying that jumping directly to
> > Merlin from ECM is going to be a major culture shock--something
> > that can be avoided.
> >
> >
>
>
>


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