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From Steven Noels <>
Subject [Fwd: Re: [xml-dev] XML websites]
Date Fri, 06 Jun 2003 11:58:33 GMT
Anyone heard about this already?


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [xml-dev] XML websites
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 12:14:19 -0700
From: Erik Bruchez <>
References: <003e01c329be$43400520$>


This is exactly what our framework, OXF allows you to do: build Web
applications using 100% XML-based technologies. Some people mentioned
Cocoon: if that helps, you can see OXF as a better Cocoon (this being
said, OXF does not use a single line of Cocoon source code).


But XML has its place in Web applications. In OXF, you can use it for
the application workflow, data access, business logic, and, very
importantly, for the presentation layer. We support XSLT, WXS, Relax
NG, XSLT 1.0, the latest draft of XSLT 2.0 (thanks Michael Kay and
Saxon 7!), a server-side subset of XForms, XUpdate, and XPL, our XML
components orchestration language.

OXF is free for non-commercial use. For more information, see:

For a list of features in the upcoming 2.0:


Dennis D. wrote:

> Hello:

> I have a database application programming background (Oracle SQL+,
> dbase, MS Access), and have been studying XML for awhile (6
> months+). I've seen several case studies (especially at Microsoft)
> using XML as a legacy database interface, and other applications
> where XML is being implemented using various application languages.
> What I haven't seen is a true XML website; a model. If XML
> technology is set to become the pervasive programming language of
> webservers everywhere, then where are the websites? I've seen some
> examples of web 'pages' using XHTML. Microsoft has enabled MSXML in
> their browsers, yet I don't see it being used in public websites in
> the programming code. In fact, Microsoft seems to be using
> JavaScript (which was originally a Netscape product as you know),
> and using XML as a database application to build their website. IBM
> is using an HTML document on it's homepage, but at least it declares
> a DOCTYPE and references a dtd called ibmxhtml1. W3 is using XHTML1
> strict.
> Where is XML in this? Where are the true XML websites, and the
> browser clients that display them?
> Why do I ask? I've been building websites for about 7 years (as a
> hobby). Currently, I have single website of a couple hundred pages,
> which includes an MS Access database and a message board (written in
> ASP). I am familiar with CSS, JavaScript, and some other languages
> which I could combine to construct a website. I want to re-write it
> using the latest and greatest technology available. I thought that
> would be XML. Turns out that XHTML is the latest and greatest. It is
> an interim solution. Worse, it involves a complex conversion process
> to yield (I suspect) the XHTML pages. Do you know of any true XML
> websites? I'm sort of at a loss about where I should be going with
> this. I've taken my site down, studied the content, and I'm left
> with the builders dilemma; how to redress the architecture
> (languages, db's, etc.). As a website builder, what model should I
> be looking toward; Microsoft, IBM, W3C and it's Amaya client?
> Respectfully,
> Dennis Dickens,
> Lakewood, WA, USA

Steven Noels                  
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