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From Dirk-Willem van Gulik <>
Subject Re: How ASF membership works and what it means
Date Tue, 24 Jun 2003 11:59:41 GMT

On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, Ted Leung wrote:
> >->	Organisationally xml and java are still lagging behind;
> >	but have been catching up (though the catch up has slowed down
> >	somewhat due to a much larger influx from the old school
> >	side; and that influx is by average younger than the proposed
> >	influx from xml and java (in terms of lines of code and/or years
> >	of activity on *MORE* than one project).

> In the case of XML, this stems partially from the manner in which the
> project was formed.  As was pointed out at ApacheCon this fall, both
> Jakarta and XML were kind of experiments.   This year a substantial
> amount of effort has gone into trying to change the results of those
> experiments -- namely the effort get projects to leave the umbrella and
> become top-level projects.  Note that for XML this happened in exactly
> one case -- Coccoon.  All the other projects in XML decided to either
> stay in XML or move to, another umbrella PMC structure.
> I think that we have multiple subcultures under the ASF umbrella, due to
> the way that the umbrella projects were formed.  Whether you like that
> or not, I think that is the reality.  I know that I personally would

And I think that is a healty thing. It makes us more resiliant and self
supporting in a changing world. I certainly do not thing that 'enforcing'
the patterns of 'httpd' are a good idea.


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