Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-xml-cocoon-dev-archive@xml.apache.org Received: (qmail 40515 invoked by uid 500); 12 May 2003 07:47:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact cocoon-dev-help@xml.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Reply-To: cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org Received: (qmail 40502 invoked from network); 12 May 2003 07:47:31 -0000 Received: from mail.s-und-n.de (212.8.217.2) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 12 May 2003 07:47:31 -0000 Received: from mail.s-und-n.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail2.s-und-n.de (postfix) with ESMTP id A71FDA9988 for ; Mon, 12 May 2003 09:47:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from notes.sundn.de (ntsrv5.sundn.de [10.10.2.10]) by mail.s-und-n.de (postfix) with ESMTP id 6D018A4AEC for ; Mon, 12 May 2003 00:15:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hw0386 ([10.10.4.21]) by notes.sundn.de (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.8) with SMTP id 2003051200150803:8878 ; Mon, 12 May 2003 00:15:08 +0200 From: "Carsten Ziegeler" To: Subject: RE: Regarding Excalibur XMLUtil and Store Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 00:16:23 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20030510152230.GA7130@expresso.localdomain> Importance: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on PBSN1/Systeme und Netzwerke(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 12.05.2003 00:15:10, Serialize by Router on PBSN1/Systeme und Netzwerke(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 12.05.2003 00:15:11, Serialize complete at 12.05.2003 00:15:11 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Hi, here is my -1 to move XMLUtil or Store or any other common component back to Cocoon. I think Jeff and Nicola Ken have already given some good arguments against the move. I really think the answer is plain simple: common components do belong to a project (or subproject) or Avalon. And nowhere else. I'm really wondering what's the purpose of moving things is? A long time ago many in Cocoon and Avalon gave their +1 for moving common components to Avalon. Now some of them want to move them back. Strange. There was no -1 at that time. And everytime you mention Avalon the first question you get is: "What components are already available?" - So a common repository for components which is somehow part of Avalon is very important. Noone wants to first download Avalon and then some parts of Cocoon and some parts of Struts or James or whatever to get common components. This absolutely doesn't make sense for me. And yes, many users are using xmlutil and store outside of cocoon. I think, we should really avoid rediscussing such things and keep our focus on the important issues. We have a long todo list and again renaming and moving things is really not helpfull here. And it's not a matter of who has write access to a repository and which emails are send. Carsten