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From Berin Loritsch <>
Subject Re: Regarding Excalibur XMLUtil and Store
Date Mon, 12 May 2003 13:06:29 GMT
If it stays in Avalon, can we get some DOC writers to share how to
get started with it?  That is the biggest thing.  Otherwise it's
official release will be postponed.  It is important for people
who *want* to support it to actually support it.

Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
> Hi,
> here is my -1 to move XMLUtil or Store or any other common component 
> back to Cocoon.
> I think Jeff and Nicola Ken have already given some good arguments
> against the move.
> I really think the answer is plain simple: common components do belong
> to a project (or subproject) or Avalon. And nowhere else.
> I'm really wondering what's the purpose of moving things is? A long time
> ago many in Cocoon and Avalon gave their +1 for moving common components
> to Avalon. Now some of them want to move them back. Strange. There was
> no -1 at that time.
> And everytime you mention Avalon the first question you get is: "What
> components are already available?" - So a common repository for 
> components which is somehow part of Avalon is very important. Noone
> wants to first download Avalon and then some parts of Cocoon and some
> parts of Struts or James or whatever to get common components. This
> absolutely doesn't make sense for me.
> And yes, many users are using xmlutil and store outside of cocoon.
> I think, we should really avoid rediscussing such things and keep
> our focus on the important issues. We have a long todo list and
> again renaming and moving things is really not helpfull here.
> And it's not a matter of who has write access to a repository and
> which emails are send.
> Carsten

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