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From "Geoff Howard" <>
Subject RE: [RT] the quest for the perfect template language
Date Sun, 06 Apr 2003 02:17:02 GMT

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geoff Howard []
> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 10:37 AM
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> Subject: RE: [RT] the quest for the perfect template language


> Not trying to be cynical, just pointing out that it's not just 
> making a good
> technology that's needed - it's making one that matters.
> Geoff

OK, I'm regretting sending that message - the tone is wrong and 
I missed the point.  Stefano was talking about a revolutionary 
idea and I just said "hey, you're talking about a revolutionary 
idea".  He was asking why people weren't jumping in on it and I 
wanted to explain why I wasn't and I think air a below the surface 
concern I had, which is just that reinventing the wheel is an 
"anti-pattern" - but then again so is continuing to drive on a flat 

I'm not bothered much by the xml syntax and I still think some of the 
points from my last message apply but I definitely resonate with the 
other core problems.  

How many of these problems would be solved by some combination of:
- Preprocessing xml to provide a structure more conducive to the 
type of rule based processing that xslt excels at (like providing 
count and position information).  I wriggled my way out of several 
tricky xsl programming issues by simply providing more information 
coming out of the generator.
- Creating a flexible, reusable library of xsl template rules to 
perform the most common but non-trivial tasks.  Along these lines, 
I have been needing a good crossbrowser dhtml menu implemented with 
xslt and have found nothing, though there are many javascript-only 
solutions.  I'd much rather have the heavy lifting of creating the 
menu structure performed (and cached) serverside but it's just so 
easy to plug in the javascript only version.


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