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From "Richard In Public" <edificat...@blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject Re: XMLForm & JSF
Date Wed, 09 Apr 2003 13:49:43 GMT
Hi

I've been following this thread and also working with
XMLForm-Flowscript-Hibernate.  Apart from that I haven't worked with forms
for quite a while.  In trying to evaluate alternative validation techniques
it seems that it would be helpful to have a comprehensive set of use cases
so that discussions such as these take place with reference to
common/comprehensive examples.  I realize that members of this forum may
have a fairly clear idea of the range of form-and-validation related
problems in their heads but it would sure help someone like me.  In
addition, such a working set would be of use to evangelists in
demonstrating/promoting how their particular form validation solutions
compare with others it terms ofcompleteness, brevity and readability.

I'd be happy to help maintain such a set if others thought that it would be
useful.  Alternatively, if such a resource already exists can anyone point
me to it?

Regards,

Richard Hoberman


----- Original Message -----
From: "ivelin" <ivelin@apache.org>
To: <cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org>
Cc: "freebuilder-xmlform" <freebuilder-xmlform@lists.sourceforge.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 4:38 AM
Subject: Re: XMLForm & JSF


>
> BTW, what sort of things is it hard to implement with Sch?
>
>
> -=Ivelin=-
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hunsberger, Peter" <Peter.Hunsberger@stjude.org>
> To: <cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 10:01 AM
> Subject: RE: XMLForm & JSF
>
>
> > ivelin <ivelin@apache.org> asked:
> >
> > >
> > > I kept evaluating the commons validator and looking for
> > > examples. I might be wrong, but it doesn't seem like a very
> > > intuitive and straightforward tool to use. After a few days
> > > of learning it is still not clear to me how to set it up and
> > > use for different scenarios. What is your impression. Is the
> > > validator really as popular and widely used as the basic
> > > Struts itself? When a friend of mine pointed me to the
> > > Schematron home page some time ago, it only took me a few
> > > minutes to understand the concept and how to use it. I liked
> > > immediately.
> > >
> > > Comments?
> > > Has somebody else used both validation techniques to compare?
> > >
> >
> > I haven't used commons validator, but I agree. I looked at it and just
> gave
> > up; Schematron seemed like a much better way to go and we are now
heading
> > towards using it for much of our validation in the long run.  I'd say
all,
> > but there are still things that are hard to do in Schematron and it's
not
> > clear that we can do everything we want with just Schematron. We may
have
> to
> > introduce some local extensions, it's not clear if that would be true
with
> > commons validator, I suspect not...
> >
> >
>


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