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From "Artur Bialecki" <>
Subject RE: [proposal] rethinking distribution strategy
Date Sun, 13 Apr 2003 15:27:07 GMT

I think releasing 2.1 beta is a good idea even though I
value "all" kinds of stability.
At least this way I can justify starting to consider
2.1 for production to the PHBs.
Telling them that I'm working on something that comes out of
CVS HEAD desn't give them the warm and fuzzy.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stefano Mazzocchi [] 
> Sent: April 11, 2003 4:13 PM
> To: Apache Cocoon
> Subject: [proposal] rethinking distribution strategy
> Let's face it: we suck at releasing early and often.
> We are plagued by the fear of breaking contracts, so we release only
> when we are absolutely positive those contracts won't break. Which
> normally means "never".
> So, the result is that we don't acquire the user feedback 
> that allows us
> to shake those contracts and see how solid they are.
> Result: stall.
>                                  - o -
> I propose the following:
>  1) release Cocoon 2.1 beta *RIGHT NOW*. This means package 
> what we have
> and shipt it. No cleanup, no todo list, no docs to add, nothing. Just
> "build dist" and go go go.
>  2) change the meaning of "beta" from "API solid, code somewhat shaky"
> to "code solid, API somewhat shaky".
> What does it mean for users:
>  a) they get a release we consider stable in code (in fact cocoon
> 2.1-dev is pretty damn rock solid from a code point of view, 
> I never had
> a failure in months and many are using it in production with 
> no problems)
>  b) they get to try out the new features and get their hands 
> dirty, but
> we warn them that they might require some finetuning. This 
> shouldn't be
> a big problem since it will take months for them to base anything on
> production on the new features and by then we'll have 
> released the final
> version.
> What does it mean for developers:
>  a) we finally get this thing out of the door and feel releaved.
>  b) user feedback will help us polish our contracts much more than we
> can do ourselves talking between us only
>  c) the stall is broken
> What do you think?
> -- 
> Stefano.

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