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From "Hunsberger, Peter" <>
Subject RE: [RT] Flow as a block
Date Thu, 13 Mar 2003 17:27:10 GMT
Nicola Ken Barozzi <>


> Imagine that we have brought Cocoon componentization to the 
> extreme. We could have these layers:
>       Flow           framework|   implementation
> |----------------------------|-----------------|
>       Sitemap        framework|  implementation
>   |---------------------------|----------------|
>       SAX pipeline   framework| implementation
>    |--------------------------|---------------|
>       SAX components framework|implementation
>     |----------------------------------------|
> The minimal Cocoon "thing" would be an Avalon Component called Block 
> that can be reused as-is. For example, we could simply do in 
> any part of 
> a Java class:
>   CocoonComponentManager.get("fop");
> And we could use that Component as a normal Java component.
> Then we could need to make a pipeline, and have the pipeline API, and 
> implementation that can use the blocks.
> Then a sitemap, that aggregates these pipelines as we all know.
> Finally the flow, that does the workflow between requests.

I like this :-)  I'd point out that flow isn't "workflow" but rather
presentation flow, a nit, but at some point as part of the work of
re-implementing flow I also want to have a go at adding real work flow and
business process modeling on top of flow.  So you could, in theory, add a
couple of more layers to your tower:

     BPM              framework|   implementation
     Work flow        framework|  implementation
       Flow           framework|   implementation
       Sitemap        framework|  implementation

I'll also ask once more, if we're making these things pluggable can they be
pluggable via BSF type interfaces?  I have no clue if that's really
practical, but the ability to use different languages to implement the
higher level layers seems reasonable: the higher up you go the more you are
into a script first, convert to "efficient" code later type of development

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