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From "Hunsberger, Peter" <>
Subject RE: [RANT] The Flow...
Date Fri, 07 Mar 2003 15:12:25 GMT
Stefano Mazzocchi <> wrote:

> Hunsberger, Peter wrote:
> > Pier Fumagalli <> wrote:
> > 
> > <snip on how Pier arrived at the following:/>
> > 
> >>What I would love to have, before even touching the flow
> >>_implementation_, is a consistent language-unaware definition 
> >>of the object model that flow scripts will live into, define 
> >>bindings from this object model to JavaScript, so that we all 
> >>know what we are _supposed_ to implement, why, where and when.
> >>
> > 
> > 
> > Yes please!  But while you are at it, don't you really want 
> to define 
> > a complete Cocoon object model and not just one for flow (I think 
> > that's maybe what you're already doing?)?
> Cocoon already defines a pretty clear 'object model' in terms of the 
> interfaces that it exposes and the public methods of its main classes.
> This has been designed years ago and it's still very solid.

Ok, I'll bite, where is the documentation?  (No I don't mean Javadoc!)

> >  Part of the issue is, where does work flow,
> > and business logic fit into the big picture.  It's pretty 
> clear that 
> > there are things we don't want in "flow" as such, but we 
> need to know 
> > where they do fit in the "big picture":  all of Cocoon needs to hit 
> > the same object model, not just flow...
> > 
> > 
> This is FUD. Cocoon provides extremely solid contracts. We are now 
> introducing a new layer and this layer needs contracts. The 
> collection 
> of these contracts between flowscript and the cocoon 
> internals are what 
> I previously called 'Flow Object Model' (I dislike the term 'cocoon 
> object model' because it triggers out-of-track thoughts like these)
> The cocoon internals *are* solid and well defined.

Well yes, that's fine, it's the things not yet designed I'm worried about...
Where do new things go? Not how do I work with old things.  In particular,
if something doesn't go in flow (yet it's being prototyped with JavaScript)
how should it eventually be hooked into Cocoon?

<snip on stuff I agree with/>

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