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From "Antonio Gallardo" <>
Subject Re: Jetty performance....
Date Fri, 07 Mar 2003 18:14:29 GMT
> "Antonio Gallardo" <> wrote:
>> Hi Luca!
>> I seems like nobody is interested in this topic. I cannot believe it!
>> :-(
> Well, it's not really related to Cocoon... Cocoon ships with Jetty for
> its "build run" environment, nothing that I would run on a production
> (or even development server).

The point here is how we can get most from Jetty. I know that Cocoon is
not Jetty, but including Jetty into Cocoon is promoting the use of Jetty.
Many people think about that (please check the mail to this thread before
yours). When you started talking about Jetty, Tomcat was a silent standard
for people using Cocoon. Everybody recommend you the use the Tomcat. Now
we are promoting Jetty. I said OK! You showed us the following gain over

Smaller!  (I agree)
Faster!   (I cannot currently agree. :-( )

I was trying to find some tips about how to get the most from Jetty, but
nowhere info. There are no books written about Jetty. Please note I am not
trying to attack Jetty. I believe this is the correct way. But as me many
people here dont see the gain of performance. Some people runs on Windows
and some runs Linux (like me).

I want that this negative stuff go away. But for current purpose I am
seriously think in switching back to Tomcat. I need an application that
performance good in front of users. If the container is a big hairy
monster the users does not care. They only see the response time. I know
what you said in your mail. I will (maybe) do a very bad error in
switching back. But I dont see a solution in the near future. Can you
recommend some docs for trying to get the most from Jetty? Really this is
the purpose of this thread. :-)

>> The question is:
>> What we gain if the applications run slow under Jetty?.
> That's your measurement... I've noticed a quite substantial performance
> increase...

What plataform are you using? I am using Red Hat Linux 8.0, PostgreSQL,
and Cocoon 2.1 HEAD. The iron is: AMD Athlon XP 1.7, 512 MB, 60 GB.
>> The only positive answer is that we "save" some cents in storage on
>> the hard disk, but since it is too cheap.... I think our saving are
>> less than 1 cents or low. :-D
If continued in this rethoric, then if a HD of 60GB cost US$ 140.00 and
Jetty use 75MB less that Tomcat, we gain: 17.08 cents! ;-) Its better.
> You're more than welcome to go and download Tomcat, and install the
> cocoon web-application onto it. I believe, though, it would be a _huge_
> mistake if we thought about adding another 24 megs of code just to ship
> a servlet container with the Cocoon distribution...

Sorry but I dont share this opinion. I dont need to download Tomcat it is
running since December without problems of any kind on a little more
capable machine as I described above. What I am trying to said is that
today saving
24 MB is nothing (less than 6 cents.).

> That's my thought, at least...

I and many people here want to have the same thought as you. Please show
us the shine! :-)

Best Regards,

Antonio Gallardo
>     Pier

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