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From David Crossley <>
Subject Re: cvs disruption
Date Sun, 23 Mar 2003 13:20:48 GMT
Diana Shannon wrote:

> I'm not saying it isn't working. I'm saying the **only** reason it works 
> now is because we are using a cvs-based version of an outside project, 
> not a released version. Stefano recently stated in:
>     "never commit code that depends on non-released stuff"
> and I'm just pointing out that we are doing that here.

Ah, i understand you now.

Dianna Shannon wrote:
> > Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
> David Crossley wrote:
> > Stephan and others have done one excellent step: getting Forrest
> > to process the Cocoon docs as they are now (DTD v1.0). Going to
> > the next stage is what Diana is rightly concerned about.
> >
> >> All right. Since there is circular dependency between cocoon and
> >> forrest, I would suggest we release cocoon 2.1 first, allow forrest to
> >> release a new version based on 2.1 and at that point forrestize our 
> >> docs.
> >>
> >> how does that sound?
> >
> > But this circular dependency will always be there, so why not
> > just get on with it. Anyway, Forrest uses a recent stable
> > version of cocoon-2.1-dev, i.e. just off the bleeding-edge.
> I agree we should get on with it too, as long as we don't break existing 
> doc build capability. I think we should rely on the cvs version only for 
> this transition stage. In the future, I don't want the docs build 
> dependent on a cvs which from time to time will break. While the 
> responsiveness of Forrest committers is incredible, I think Stefano's 
> principle stated above is a best practice we should follow, especially 
> for something like doc building (given the fact users just want docs, 
> not necessarily the latest-greatest code which produces such docs).

Nicely stated, thanks. Yes this is very important.
Just as Forrest uses a recent but stable head release
of Cocoon, so can Cocoon developers use the best available
release of Forrest. When Cocoon also does the release early
and often then we will be all in a better state.

If the mantra "only use released version of a product" was
applied by Forrest then we would not be doing very well.
We now need, and probably always will need, a recent Cocoon head.
Perhaps we can relax this rule for Forrest and Cocoon can use
recent "recommended" versions.


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