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From Stephan Michels <>
Subject RE: [PROPOSAL] Cocoon Science Fiction
Date Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:59:13 GMT

On Mon, 10 Feb 2003, Hochsteger Andreas /INFO-MA wrote:

> > While I understand your concept, I strongly disagree: SAX provides a
> > multidimensional structured data space which is suitable for
> > *any* kind
> > of data structure.
> That's interesting.
> Do you mean namespaces by multidimensional structured data space?
> But I doubt that placing binary or non-XML/SAX Text inside of structured
> XML-Tags will solve it all ;-)
> > True, maybe not as efficiently as other formats, but removing a fix
> > contract between pipeline components will require a pluggable and
> > metadata-driven parsing/serializatin stage between each component.
> >
> > I don't see any value of this compared to the current approach of SAX
> > adaptation of external data to the internal model.
> Perhaps you misunderstand something here.
> I don't want to change the way, Cocoon handles SAX events right now.
> It's more about how we could handle non-SAX data streams a bit better.
> > > I'm sure some of you wanted to be able to build
> > applications the same way like
> > > Unix shell pipes work. Cocoon was a big step in this
> > direction, but it was
> > > only applicable for processing XML data.
> >
> > *only XML* is misleading. *based on SAX* is the sentence. I've never
> > perceived this as a limitation, but as a paradigm shift.
> Agreed.
> But the real world is not SAX-based and some better way to handle non-SAX
> data streams is demanded.

I don't see a demand for non-SAX data streams. I believe that you convert
every non XML format into an SAX stream, and at the end into a binary
stream, see for example the SWF block. So I think the strength of cocoon
comes from using one language/format for comunicating between components.

If you need to hide binary code in a SAX stream, you can aways use
the base64 format.

I agree with you that the Cocoon concept can make more possible than
serving HTML page. I think that Cocoon is at the moment a bit too web
orientated, IHMO.

Stephan Michels.

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