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From Ugo Cei <>
Subject Re: extending XMLForms for different kinds of models...opinions?
Date Sun, 16 Feb 2003 09:32:46 GMT
ivelin wrote:
> Ugo, can you can share experience with Hibernate vs. Jakarta OJB,  Cayenne
> or another Open Source O/R tool.
> There is a reasonably objective comparison here
> but I would like to hear more from a usability, flexibility and performance
> perspective.

I cannot really do a comparison here. Hibernate is the first O/R mapping 
tool I've used (after a few home-made attempts) and I haven't tried 
either OJB or Cayenne or anything else.

Apart from what I've already said, I like Hibernate also because:

1. It follows the principles outlined in Scott Ambler's papers ([1] and 
[2]), which I heppen to mostly agree with.
2. It has a lively community behind itself and is being very actively 

I think usability is great and is immensely helped by good docs. I 
cannot comment much on flexibility, I have just one application 
developed with Hibernate and it was designed in a top-down fashion (i.e. 
design your ojbects first, than derive the DB structure from them), 
which is IMHO the best, if you can afford to get DBAs to do what you ask 
;-). But Hibernate purports to support all styles of design (top-down, 
bottom-up, middle-out, meet-in-the-middle, see [3]), so flexibility 
should be guaranteed.

With respect to performance, I haven't any data and in my application we 
haven't done any benchmarking or optimization yet. I have the feeling 
that it is executing a little too many queries behind the scenes, but 
that by tweaking Hibernate's settings (eager vs. lazy loading, caching) 
we could get very good performance without mucking with the code.

Biggest problem so far (mostly with some of my co-workers, who have a 
good SQL background) is that sometimes you get a feeling of loss of 
control. Not being able to control what SQL statements you application 
is executing can be intimitading to some. Not to me, I always loathed 
SQL ;-), but sometimes, when the thing does not work as you expect it to 
(and most of the times this is due to your misreading of the docs), you 
wonder whether the Law of Leaky Abstractions [4] is going to apply.


Ugo Cei -


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