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From SAXESS - Hussayn Dabbous <>
Subject Re: sample web-app too complex?
Date Mon, 03 Feb 2003 15:50:09 GMT
I would like to distinguish between

"creating a webapp with minimal cocoon"


"creating a webapp with minimal functionality"

Although both issues adress similar points, i think,
the bignners should not be bothered with isolating
the jars they "really need" for their app just to get
an as small as possible webapplication at the end.
I am afraid the WikiPage

would not be what a beginner wants to start with, before they
get something to see. In my eyes this may be "step 2". But to
be honest here, i never thought of stripping down cocoon
to its basics. i just keep it as is and use what i need.
One day i may find out, that a very particular peace of cocoon
would be exactly what i need, but unfortunately i dropped it
by stripping down cocoon earlier. Now i can try to find out,
what i have to put back into my webapp to get the new stuff
up and running hmm... not convinced.

I would rather focus on the minimal functionality,
thus a webapplication, that does something usefull,
but can be easily understood without need to know
too many details of full cocoon.

This i would consider as "step one"

In this sense ->

1.) create a minimal webapp with the distrib as is.
2.) optional strip down cocoon to its basics

would this find consense in the comunity ?

regards, hussayn

Geoff Howard wrote:
> When trying to help a frustrated new user recently, I did something like
> this for 2.0.4.  I believe the clean-webapp Chris mentioned is only in
> 2.1dev?  I assembled a minimal webapp that did only static xml and static
> xsl, had no other samples, and had most of the unecessary (for a static
> hello world) component definitions in sitemap.xmap commented out.
> The process I used is documented at
> If that is of interest to anyone I could upload the war too, but it's 5meg
> and I'm stuck till tomorrow with dial up access.  It's also built for
> jdk1.4.
> Geoff
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: SAXESS - Hussayn Dabbous []
>>Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 8:44 AM
>>Subject: Re: sample web-app too complex?
>>Hy, Michael, Bertrand;
>>I had the idea to create a simple webapp, that already is
>>complete in the sense that it does something "real". So the
>>user could simply take it, create some content, then fiddle
>>around with whatever (sitemap, stylesheets and so on) to see
>>the effects.
>>This webapp could be accompanied with a tutorial, that introduces
>>the different peaces of the webapp in detail.
>>A new user could either take the tutorial and create this webapp
>>from scratch, or just grab a zip, unpack it and start from there.
>>This webapp could find its place in the Wiki "building your
>>first webapp in one day"... In fact o thought of simply giving
>>away the infrastructure of my own website (about 5 files in total),
>>which is really simple enough, yet usefull and productive ...
>>Of course the webapp could already be included in the
>>cocoon distrib, but i have all people in mind, who want
>>to play with the current released versions and just get something
>>reasonable to work in no time ...
>>Any commetns on that ?
>>regards, hussayn
>>Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
>>>Hi Michael,
>>>>I know that we probably have had this discussion before, but is there a
>>>>reason why we dont have simple "Hello-World" sample web-app along side
>>>>the current sample web-app? (or does there already exist an independent
>>>>"hello-world" web-app that Im not aware of?)
>>>I agree, a minimal sample webapp, that can be studied independently of
>>>the existing ones, would be useful.
>>>Are you thinking about a CRUD (Create-Retrieve-Update-Delete) webapp
>>>with database stuff, or something "read-only" where various formats are
>>>published from a small set of simple XML files?
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