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From Michael Melhem <micha...@fztig938.bank.dresdner.net>
Subject Re: sample web-app too complex?
Date Wed, 12 Feb 2003 17:00:19 GMT
On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 05:30:27PM +0100, SAXESS - Hussayn Dabbous wrote:
> I heavily agree.
> 
> Just another idea going into the same direction:
> 
> Would it make sense to organise something like a
> "cocoon core application" plus some zip-files, each of them
> containing one complete setup for one example. So the user
> could do :
> 
> 1.) install cocoon
> 2.) drop his favorite example zip into a dedicated
>     location inside cocoon (e.g. $cocoonroot/testscenarios)
> 3.) test it
> 4.) delete it if not used anymore
> 
> what would be needed to get this done?
> 
> 1.) basically add a fresh mountpoint to rootsitemap and enshure, that
>     the subdirectory $cocoonroot/testscenarios) exists. Alternatively
>     cleanup $cocoonroot/mount and use this for the testscenarios. It's
>     already there ....
> 2.) Each test scenario gets it's own subdir in the test scenario
>     mountpoint. By this the user could unzip the testapp into the
>     scenario folder, test it and delete the folder, if not used
>     anymore. Also this can be aranged without big problems.
> 
> If the testscenarios would be built in their own folder hierarchies,
> everything would be a matter of zipping the folder, putting the zipfile
> to a download location and youre done. The user grabs the zip, unzips it
> and is done...
> 
> would do you think ?

Hi Hussayn

Im not sure what you mean here, but this almost sounds a little 
like cocoon blocks ?? 

Regards,
Michael
> 
> regards, hussayn
> 
> 
> 
> Michael Melhem wrote:
> >On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 02:06:18PM +0100, Christian Haul wrote:
> >
> >>On 03.Feb.2003 -- 01:33 PM, Michael Melhem wrote:
> >>
> >>>Hi Cocooners,
> >>>
> >>>I know that we probably have had this discussion before, but is there a
> >>>reason why we dont have simple "Hello-World" sample web-app along side
> >>>the current sample web-app? (or does there already exist an independent
> >>>"hello-world" web-app that Im not aware of?)
> >>>
> >>>I have been trying to encourage some people I know to adopt Cocoon
> >>>in their organisations, but it seems to me that many new people are
> >>>daunted by the complexity of the sample web-app.  It might not seem so
> >>>difficult for most of us (who use cocoon everyday) but this is not the
> >>>case for most new users.
> >>
> >>Michael, I'm not quite sure if I understand this "simple webapp"
> >>proposal correctly. We do have a "clean-webapp" target which AFAIR
> >>builds a webapp without samples or documentation.
> >
> >
> >Hi Christian, I was actually thinking that we could provide a new 
> >build target that would build a hello-world.war and would contain 
> >only one or two simple samples.
> >
> >The object of this hello-world.war would be demonstrate the basic
> >features/ideas behind Cocoon without getting bogged down on details. 
> >Just something simple with extra documentation so that newbies can get 
> >ther handes dirty real quick.
> >
> >So instead of having X number of generators|transformers|serializers
> >being declared in the components section, we would have one or two
> >of each which would make things much easier to follow. We would also
> >have only one or two pipelines using say a basic file generator
> >to transform an xml file to HTML etc. I think at a minimum the webapp
> >would aslo need to show basic use of actions views..
> >
> >With the current complexity of the webapp Im afraid that perhaps a lot 
> >of new users might not be able to see the "forrest for the trees".
> >
> >Does anyone else see value in this?
> >
> >
> >>The other issue is the current samples we ship. A lot lives in a
> >>single sitemap file which is not really encouraging to try to
> >>understand what happens in there. Perhaps, we could all adopt some
> >>samples and split this monster into several sub sitemaps that contain
> >>just the parts for this particular sample. Have a look at the current
> >>database block samples to see what I mean.
> >
> >
> >Yes I agree with you here, the current webapp could itself be
> >simplified.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Michael
> >
> >
> >>	Chris.
> >>-- 
> >>C h r i s t i a n       H a u l
> >>haul@informatik.tu-darmstadt.de
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