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From Niclas Hedhman <>
Subject Re: software licensing
Date Wed, 05 Feb 2003 03:27:43 GMT
On Wednesday 05 February 2003 11:10, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
> On 5/2/03 2:54, "Niclas Hedhman" <> wrote:
> > On Monday 03 February 2003 17:55, Leszek Gawron wrote:
> >> The Apache license allows to use cocoon in commercial products.
> >
> > The Apache Gods,
> Err... Pre-1999 BSD Gods <>

Wow, the Gods of Gods!!!!

> > who wrote the License, really understood what "freedom"
> > means. With that came you being allowed to do practically anything you
> > like with the product, OSS or commercially.
> Nope, you CAN'T use our name. For example, if you want to use the "Cocoon"
> name in anything related to what we do, ONLY the Cocoon PMC (you) can
> decide on whether to grant that or not.

I said _practically_. 
Are you saying I can't sell Cocoon as-is as an off-the-shelf product, and have 
support included in the package???
Well, I believe that is happening all over the place with Apache products 
(albeit I don't know of any Cocoon offerings yet), and I don't think the PMCs 
have been involved...

> That's why for R.M. Stallman our Apache license is not "free", he thinks
> that <>

Well, his idea of "freedom" is what I call "health-free" with his viral 
concepts. Obviously he thinks that everyone has an "automated refill" feature 
on their bank account, since no software developer should make a living...

Ooops, now I am getting personal again.

> But if I'm going to fork Cocoon, I'm going to call it "Boboom" anyhow, so?

Baboon, perhaps??


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