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From "Robert Simmons" <deri...@arcor.de>
Subject Re: DO NOT REPLY [Bug 16580] - Java compiler requires JARs in the FS; can not use classloader
Date Sun, 16 Feb 2003 16:18:02 GMT
Well since tomcat is a Jakarta project, I don't see where the licensing comes
in. Leaving that out for the moment, the fact is that we know its not
something that cant be done. We also know that cocoon can never start to
displace all the JSP out there until it has been done. To me that would
indicate a high priority task.

-- Robert

----- Original Message -----
From: "Vadim Gritsenko" <vadim.gritsenko@verizon.net>
Newsgroups: gmane.text.xml.cocoon.devel
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: DO NOT REPLY [Bug 16580] - Java compiler requires JARs in the
FS; can not use classloader


> Robert Simmons wrote:
>
> >In my opinion this is the largest fault with cocoon at present. It is
rather
> >strange since the Tomcat servlet engine does not suffer from this
limitation.
> >Since they have already got this working, why cant we borrow their code to
> >accomplish it?
> >
> >
>
> Robert,
>
> You can answer this one easily by yourself: Suppose we've borrowed the
> Tomcat's code... Then we have to "borrow" WebLogic's code (read EULA
> first)... WebSphere's code... Resin's code... Shall we continue?
>
>
> >We will never get enterprise programmers to transfer over from using JSP
to
> >using XSP without such a facility. Having to put all the jars in a
classpath is
> >just NOT a viable solution. Not even a viable workaround.
> >
> >
>
> It's perfectly common (and described in some J2EE docs, and implemented
> in J2EE reference implementation) for EJB client application to package
> it with EJB client jar. So, me thinks, it's a (endorsed by Sun) way...
> Not the best one, but sure it's a way.
>
>
> >In fact, I think the goal of cocoon should now be to reel in those
enterprise
> >programmers and bring them into the fold. The days of doing things with
direct
> >SQL and database calls are fast waning into the abyss of impossible large
scale
> >project management. There must be other options. XSP as a competitor to
JSP and
> >ASP technologies is simply not viable without integration with EJBs.
> >
>
> BTW... If you are trying to put all the EJB code into XSP I think you
> missed the concept of Actions which are the place to do such things.
> Like in so-called "JSP model 2" it's not advisable to put all your logic
> into JSPs, you can do same in Cocoon - put the logic into the Actions
> (pure java code, that's where the code belongs), and leave XSPs to (as
> much as possible) pure content.
>
>
> >Integration
> >with EJBs means getting our compiler to work with a class loader instead
of a
> >classpath.
> >
>
> Exactly, classloading javac is the missing piece.
>
>
> >I think the milestone for this and related bugs should be firmly 2.1. Once
> >Cocoon has this, I'm convinced they could hit the big time.
> >
>
> No, this is the minor patch, which does not affect Cocoon internals,
> just adds (modifies - in case of Pizza) one component - it will happily
> go to both branches.
>
> Vadim
>
>
>
> >-- Robert
> >
> >"Michael Homeijer" <M.Homeijer@devote.nl> wrote in message
> >news:9916289167D2D411BD0700508BB4A527E6725B@dvntex01.devote.nl...
> >
> >
> >>Anyone care to comment on the threads I mentioned?
> >>
> >>http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xml-cocoon-dev&m=103769226701593&w=2
> >>http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xml-cocoon-dev&m=103990910724056&w=2
> >>
> >>When using xsp pages or actions in an ear (combined with using value
objects
> >>returned from ejb's) this is a rather big issue.
> >>
> >>Michael
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: bugzilla@apache.org
> >>To: cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org
> >>Sent: 13-2-2003 9:08
> >>Subject: DO NOT REPLY [Bug 16580]  -  Java compiler requires JARs in the
FS;
> >>can not use classloader
> >>
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> >>
> >>Java compiler requires JARs in the FS; can not use classloader
> >>
> >>


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