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From: "Matthew Langham" <mlangham@s-und-n.de>
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Subject: RE: Designing Dialogs in XML
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:27:17 +0100
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Hi,

thanks for the pointers. Yes this is roughly what I had in mind. I was
however surprised that I couldn't find anything standardized.

But this morning Carsten pointed me to XFrames
(http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/WD-xframes-20020806/) and together with the
XMLForm stuff, I think that is what we are looking for.

Matthew

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-----Original Message-----
From: Ivelin Ivanov [mailto:ivelin@apache.org]
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 4:55 PM
To: cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org
Subject: Re: Designing Dialogs in XML


If I understand correctly, the thing you're looking for exists.
Look at the WebServiceProxyGenerator demos.
One of them uses only the XMLForm stylesheet which simple transforms a
XMLForm markup into HTML markup,
without using any of the other XMLForm components (action, transformer,
validator).
The other one (cocoonhive mini-portal) is using a "page" markup very similar
to the one in your example.
I guess the src=3D"/resources/header" part can be conveniently replaced wit=
h a
CInclude or an XInclude
(again look at the cocoonhive main document).

Let me know if this helped any.


Ivelin

[1] WSPG demo
http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/xml-cocoon2/src/webapp/samples/webservicep
roxy/

[2] Cocoonhive demo portal main doc
http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/xml-cocoon2/src/webapp/samples/webservicep
roxy/cocoonhive/portal/

[3] XMLForm to HTML without any validation overhead, etc.
http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/xml-cocoon2/src/webapp/samples/webservicep
roxy/sitemap.xmap?rev=3DHEAD&content-type=3Dtext/vnd.viewcvs-markup


----- Original Message -----
From: "Matthew Langham" <mlangham@s-und-n.de>
To: <cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org>; "Cocoon-Users@Xml. Apache. Org"
<cocoon-users@xml.apache.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 7:41 AM
Subject: Designing Dialogs in XML


We have the need to do the following - and for the life of me I have not yet
found anything that already does this - although I am sure there must be...

1) Define page layouts in an XML markup

example:

page1.xml

  <page name=3D"firstpage">
    <part name=3D"toppart" src=3D"/resources/header"/>
    <part name=3D"middlepart">
      This is the middle
    </part>
    <part src=3D"/resources/dialog">
  </page>

Depending on the stylesheet used in the later formatting this would then be
transformed to say a frameset (HTML) or different cards (WML).

2) Define dialog elements in an XML markup

Define things like text fields, buttons etc. in a way so that a later step
makes the transformation into the specific instance for the required end
format.

So the above link to /resources/dialog would then load an XML file
containing the description of a particular dialog into the third part of the
page.


I really only need this in one direction at the moment (i.e. publishing
stuff outwards) - so I don't need the overhead of validation etc.

Apart from inventing some new XML formats for this - surely there must be
something like this already out there? I've looked at XUL, XMLForms etc. but
they don't seem right - but perhaps they are.

Matthew

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-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Langham [mailto:mlangham@s-und-n.de]
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 1:53 PM
To: cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org
Subject: RE: Summary: Cocoon Stammtisch @ Frankfurt


>>
easily accessed via public transport. Michael Melhem proposed an irish
pub at Frankfurt/Hauptbahnhof (@Michael: "main train station", so I made
an educated guess - right ? Do you have a phone number of that pub ?)
which should reduce any travelling by public transport to a minimum, but
I fear that we lack the possibility to reserve for up to 13 people,
having a meal or a noise level suited for a decent conversation, but I
<<

The Irish pub in Paderborn would not be suited for this (very loud) - but
perhaps Frankfurt-Irish are quieter :-)

So -1 on that.

>>
Frankfurt/H=F6chst, about 3 train stations (or 9 minutes) from
Frankfurt/Hauptbahnhof, which is close to the train station,  large
enough for us, provides good yugoslavian food and you can have a good
talk over there; all this needs is using the local train towards the
city - at 00:39, the latest train (S1 direction "Offenbach Ost") heads
towards the city.
<<

Sounds good. Is it easy to get to by car also? Carsten and I will probably
be driving in to Frankfurt.

So +1 on that one.

(I would be +1000 for the Schnitzel place - btw. Yummmy! Still, lack of
public transport is a problem)

Matthew

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-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Hartle [mailto:mhartle@hartle-klug.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 1:03 PM
To: cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org
Subject: OT: Summary: Cocoon Stammtisch @ Frankfurt


Hello all,

to finalize the planing, I'd like to sum up some aspects; I am hoping
for some *quick* feedback (i.e. votes) regarding the location, so I can
make a reservation at one place or another:

* Who: Regarding the guests, the list has grown considerably compared to
the last Stammtisch - hopefully I haven't forgot anyone, but currently
it looks like Marcus Crafter, Michael Melhem, Wolfram Eisert, Christian
Haul, Mariano Kamp, Torsten Curdt, Matthew Langham, Carsten Ziegeler and
Andreas Fuchs plus myself are probably going to visit, making it 10
people; when our "international" guests can make it too, we'd be 13 -
well, I am not superstitious, but anyone is invited to increase that number.

* When: As a date for the Stammtisch, we more or less settled on
December, 9th; we might even have some guests from the UK (Andrew
Savory), Belgium (Steven Noels) and perhaps Italy (Nicola Ken Barozzi).

* Where: Here, we still have to decide - due to lacking public transport
connectivity and the necessity for un-alcoholized drivers for the
Schnitzel armageddon, we need an alternative location (*sigh*) that is
easily accessed via public transport. Michael Melhem proposed an irish
pub at Frankfurt/Hauptbahnhof (@Michael: "main train station", so I made
an educated guess - right ? Do you have a phone number of that pub ?)
which should reduce any travelling by public transport to a minimum, but
I fear that we lack the possibility to reserve for up to 13 people,
having a meal or a noise level suited for a decent conversation, but I
may be wrong. An alternative proposal of mine was a good restaurant at
Frankfurt/H=F6chst, about 3 train stations (or 9 minutes) from
Frankfurt/Hauptbahnhof, which is close to the train station,  large
enough for us, provides good yugoslavian food and you can have a good
talk over there; all this needs is using the local train towards the
city - at 00:39, the latest train (S1 direction "Offenbach Ost") heads
towards the city.

Gentlemen, place your votes.


Best regards,

Michael Hartle,
Hartle & Klug Consulting GmbH


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