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From Sam Ruby <>
Subject Re: The organization of
Date Tue, 03 Dec 2002 00:41:35 GMT
Ted Leung wrote:
> 4. Some option that hasn't been thought of yet.

Based initially on the reorg discussions, and then a number of F2F 
discussions at ApacheCon, I am planning on proposing something radical 
within Jakarta, but it applies equally well here.  I provided some 
foreshadowing for this proposal in an e-mail to, 
with the subject of "Convergence, vetoes, forks, and projects". 
Specifically, I said:

 > Separate code bases with separate communities should be separate
 > projects.  Independent of the size of the codebase, if the size of
 > the community is only a few people, then it is not an ASF project.
 > Such efforts can be pursued outside of the ASF, be pursued inside the
 > Incubator, or be incorporated inside an existing community – as long
 > as all participants in that larger community are treated as peers.

With respect to XML, I honestly don't know how many communities we have. 
  But the above provides a recipe to find out.  Without changing any 
physical layout of mailing lists or cvs repositories, we can begin to 
phase out the karma and voting boundaries between various subprojects. 
Those that don't wish to participate will be encouraged to form their 
own separate projects (or move into incubation).

What I like most about such a proposal is that it is completely up to 
the commiters to decide whether they want opt in or opt out.

What do others think?

- Sam Ruby

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