Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-xml-cocoon-dev-archive@xml.apache.org Received: (qmail 79023 invoked by uid 500); 5 Sep 2002 12:56:24 -0000 Mailing-List: contact cocoon-dev-help@xml.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Reply-To: cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org Received: (qmail 78923 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2002 12:56:22 -0000 From: Ola Berg To: cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org Reply-To: Ola Berg MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Tripnet Webmail (IMP/PHP) Sender: ola.berg@arkitema.se Subject: Re: 3 suggestions Message-Id: Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 14:56:16 +0200 X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N >Actually the exceptions are wrapped but unfortunately there is no >evaluation of all possible wrapping exceptions at the top level. [...snip...] Yes, I know. I\'ve been following the discussions re nested exceptions at jakarta-commons, as well as in two client project, and there seem to be little or no consensus on what would be the \"best practise\". It doesn\'t help my use-case though. It would be very helpful if the parser\'s exceptions included information on what resource it attempted to parse. I suspect that this is a thing that hinders people from coming up to speed with Cocoon. And if there is too much initial investment to do in time, corporate users (you know: the \"normal\" guys who only does hacking at paid day-time, not perverts like us :-) will not use the tool. Debugging Cocoon apps is an issue. People are used to trial-and-error methods of learning. Then it would be nice to see where the error is. When doing my first C2 installation two months ago, I spent a week debugging my XML source, when the error was a minor one in the site map. Add XSLT-sheets and the complexity grows. One problem is that as one gets more experienced with the tool, one will see the errors less often, so it will never become an itch to scratch. When you are confident with the tool enough to hack it, you don\'t have the same needs that you\'ve had when you were a beginner, so the tool will never become beginner-friendly. In order to overcome this, I have started to scribble down my initial stupid beginner mistakes. If Cocoon would catch those and spit out intelligent messages and suggestions, the tool would be better. /O --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: cocoon-dev-unsubscribe@xml.apache.org For additional commands, email: cocoon-dev-help@xml.apache.org