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From: Piroumian Konstantin <KPiroumian@protek.com>
To: "'cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org'" <cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org>
Subject: FW: XForms response to select1 vs. singleSelect
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:35:55 +0400
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Below is the answer to my question about the select1 element naming in
XForms specification.

--
Konstantin Piroumian 


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Klotz, Leigh [mailto:Leigh.Klotz@pahv.xerox.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 1:41 AM
> To: 'Piroumian Konstantin'; 'www-forms-editor@w3.org'
> Cc: Klotz, Leigh
> Subject: XForms response to select1 vs. singleSelect
> 
> 
> Thank you for your comments. 
> 
> I'd like to answer the issues you raise in your last message 
> (below) and ask
> you a question.
> 
> On <choose> and <choice>:
> - Either would be confused with the "choices" element -- one might
> reasonably believe that <choice> would always be a child element of
> <choices>.
> (Please see
> http://www.w3.org/TR/xforms/slice8.html#ui-common-elements-choices)
> - The pair of names "choice" and "select" doesn't really 
> indicate which is
> used for a single selection and which is used for multiple choice.
> (Or is it which is used for a single choice and which is used 
> for multiple
> selection?)
> 
> On the XHTML 2.0 issues raised:
> - Public discussion of XHTML takes place on www-html@w3.org, 
> so you can ask
> detailed questions about the h and section elements there.
> - We consulted with the HTML WG Chair, and he recommended that we keep
> <select> and <select1>.
> 
> It's difficult to come up with names that fit all constraints and make
> everyone happy.  Can you can live with the names in the current XForms
> working draft?
> 
> Thank you,
> Leigh.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Piroumian Konstantin [mailto:KPiroumian@protek.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 12:51 AM
> To: 'Klotz, Leigh'; 'www-forms@w3.org'
> Subject: RE: Naming: select1 vs. singleSelect
> 
> 
> > From: Klotz, Leigh [mailto:Leigh.Klotz@pahv.xerox.com] 
> > 
> > Hello.
> > 
> > A strong goal of XForms integration with XHTML 2.0, and the 
> > XHTML Working
> > Group asked that we avoid hyphens and use only lowercase 
> > letters for element
> > and attribute names, which rules out both "selectOne" and 
> > "select-one".  
> 
> Ok. So what about a 'choice' or 'choose' (compare with 'select')?
> 
> > 
> > The all lower-case "selectone" is difficult to read in 
> > English, as it would
> > be pronounced "selec-tone", and is indeed used as such in 
> at least one
> > trademark (http://www.com-spec.com/selectone/).
> 
> I see.
> 
> > 
> > I don't think that trailing numerals in element names are 
> > unusual; see HTML
> > <h1>, <h2>, etc.
> 
> The <h1>, etc. elements are deprecated in XHTML 2.0 in favour 
> of <section>
> elements:
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/WD-xhtml2-20020805/mod-text.html#sec_8.18.
> 
> So, if XForms is going to be integrated with XHTML 2.0 then 
> it's better to
> avoid old-styled naming.
> 
> Regards,
>   Konstantin
> 
> > 
> > Thank you,
> > Leigh L. Klotz, Jr.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Piroumian Konstantin [mailto:KPiroumian@protek.com] 
> > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 12:21 AM
> > To: 'www-forms@w3.org'
> > Subject: Naming: select1 vs. singleSelect
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hi!
> > 
> > What is the reason of using a name like 'select1' for single choice
> > selection element?
> > Don't you think that this kind of name is absolutely unusual 
> > in XML, XSL,
> > XHTML or HTML worlds? What's wrong with 'selectOne' or
> > 'singleSelect'/'multiSelect' names? Or maybe 'select-one' 
> > (using XSLT naming
> > convensions)?
> > 
> > Regards,
> >   Konstantin Piroumian 
> >   Ivelin Ivanov
> > --
> >   Apache Cocoon: http://xml.apache.org/cocoon
> >   kpiroumian@apache.org
> >   ivelin@apache.org
> > 
> 

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