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From Ovidiu Predescu <>
Subject Cocoon apps Web site hosting
Date Sun, 11 Aug 2002 17:25:09 GMT

I've already paid money to get an account to an ISP for exactly this type of
setup. At that time I was talking to other cocoon developers about setting
up such a site to showcase Cocoon. Unfortunately, none of us had sufficient
spare energy to pull this out and to start working on it. At the moment it
hosts only the Weblogs of myself and Jeff Turner, and Berin's and us email
accounts, but it will soon host the Anteater Web site as well.

The vision of this is to have a loosely coupled group of developers, which
have similar interests and work on similar projects, to share the same
resources. Long term, I'd like us to become a center of expertise for other
companies to hire us, either individually or as a group, to provide support
and custom enhancements to these projects.

I'm offering this site to host the Cocoon web site you're talking about, as
it shares the same vision I had when I started it. We have 1Gb of hard-disk
space available and 10Gb of transfer monthly, which should be plenty for the
time being. Unfortunately we have only 1 shell account available, but I
think we can increase that to three accounts with little additional cost,
which can then be shared among us.

I already have a CVS repository setup for multiple developers, we can create
mailing lists and setup a Cocoon hosting environment for Cocoon apps.

Please let me know if this is something which might interest you.

Ovidiu Predescu <> (Weblog) (Apache, GNU, Emacs...)

On 8/8/02 7:01 AM, "Steven Noels" <> wrote:

> Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
>> Or sourceforge?
>> We should not use the cocoon cvs for cocoon-apps, I don't
>> now the official "apache policy" on this. It is very good
>> to have a cocoon-apps area, but I don't want to give all
>> 'cocoon-apps' committers also access to cocoon itself.
>> So it must be separated.
> Sourceforge is good as a development environment, but it will not give
> us the means of *showcasing* Cocoon apps. We will end up with
> (hopefully) some portal site, but a miriad of little project sites
> around this. I think Cocoon will be served better if we can group all
> these applications under one umbrelle.
> OK, here's my deal:
> I'm dreaming of a Cocoon application development community, comparable
> to SF, with CVS, mailinglists, and a Cocoon-app deployment environment.
> I've been dreaming about this for the past few weeks and did some
> homework. I've been figuring out the costs of hosting such a machine and
> securing it sufficiently, and I might even consider to jumpstart this
> entirely on our (=outerthought) own budget. No big iron server to start
> with, of course, just as CocoDocoWiki is run right now.
> Consider it to be CocoKrysalis. Now if other companies are willing to
> co-sponsor this, they are welcome. This will cost *real* money.
> In terms of opportunity management, it might not be wise to post such
> statements knowing I'm going offline in a few hours. But since the
> opportunity is there, and we are being confronted with the need for such
> an environment, I hope you will give me some time to gather all this in
> some plan, and come back to it in a few weeks. I'm dead-serious about this.

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