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From "Theodore W. Leung" <>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Cocoon-apps CVS module
Date Wed, 14 Aug 2002 22:35:30 GMT
Sorry, I was unclear.

I mean subproject of Cocoon, not subproject of

I'm fine for this to be a subproject of/under Cocoon.


On Mon, 2002-08-12 at 13:50, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> Theodore W. Leung wrote:
> > This sounds very much like a subproject to me.  Can you explain why you
> > think this isn't just a subproject?
> - It depends very strongly on Cocoon.
> - The code it starts with will, have parts come out of Cocoon.
> - We would want the Cocoon committers have automatic karma to it.
> - Other subprojects already have a similar this arrangement, albeit on 
> the sister project Jakarta, like Lucene, Avalon, Turbine.
> - It doesn't have a project goal, but is more a repository of Cocoon 
> apps, a sort of Cocoon-Commons.
> On the other hand it would seem to be another subproject, since there 
> would be a different community round it, but this has also happened with 
> the cocoon-docs mailing list without creating a Cocoon-docs subproject.
> Besides we would probably still want to use the Cocoon-dev and 
> Cocoon-user lists for it, at least in the early stages.
> Basically we are thinking about a Cocoon subproject, versus the fact 
> that the norm is to have Xml.Apache Sub-Projects.
> Can it be arranged?
> > On Thu, 2002-08-08 at 07:09, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> > 
> >>Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
> >>
> >>>Ok, can someone of the PMC clarify this.
> >>>
> >>>We should not use the cocoon cvs for cocoon-apps, so a 
> >>>separate cvs is the way to go. I don't want to give all
> >>>'cocoon-apps' committers also access to cocoon itself.
> >>>So it must be separated.
> >>
> >>Dear PMC, we need your assistance.
> >>
> >>Cocoon is gaining more "sample" applications every day, and more are 
> >>being proposed.
> >>
> >>We are in the process of cleaning the repository by separating the core, 
> >>the implementation and the components in different directories.
> >>We also need to remove those apps that are not part of Cocoon itself but 
> >>that are important to us and to the community.
> >>Therefore, a consensus is forming towards the creation of a new CVS 
> >>module for cocoon-apps.
> >>
> >>The reason why I contact you is that this would not be a completely 
> >>separate project itself, since we want the Cocoon committers to be able 
> >>to commit, while having the possibility of voting in committers that do 
> >>not commit to Cocoon.
> >>A kind of young-sister project.
> >>
> >>Now, this is not a subproject, but not really still Cocoon.
> >>What is it? How can it be arranged?
> >>Lucene has a similar arrangement IIUC...
> >>
> >>Also, we had the proposal of a Forrest committer, Steven Noels, who is 
> >>driving the effort, and hasalready  made available equipement.
> >>He proposes to host this effort with his company's equipement.
> >>Does Apache think it's possible to host Apache stuff on another server?
> >>
> >>Thank you in advance.
> >>
> >>
> >>-- 
> >>Nicola Ken Barozzi         
> >>             - verba volant, scripta manent -
> >>    (discussions get forgotten, just code remains)
> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------
> -- 
> Nicola Ken Barozzi         
>              - verba volant, scripta manent -
>     (discussions get forgotten, just code remains)
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