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From "Ivelin Ivanov" <>
Subject Re: Cocoon apps Web site hosting
Date Sun, 11 Aug 2002 18:37:00 GMT

How about a web ring?

I am about to host a coon apps site myself.
Since we all might be running on different versions and with different ideas
about our applications, maybe a loosely connected structure is better.

Send me your URLs, I'll link from my web site.
You can link to mine too:


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ovidiu Predescu" <>
To: "Steven Noels" <>; <>
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 12:25 PM
Subject: Cocoon apps Web site hosting

> Steven,
> I've already paid money to get an account to an ISP for exactly this type
> setup. At that time I was talking to other cocoon developers about setting
> up such a site to showcase Cocoon. Unfortunately, none of us had
> spare energy to pull this out and to start working on it. At the moment it
> hosts only the Weblogs of myself and Jeff Turner, and Berin's and us email
> accounts, but it will soon host the Anteater Web site as well.
> The vision of this is to have a loosely coupled group of developers, which
> have similar interests and work on similar projects, to share the same
> resources. Long term, I'd like us to become a center of expertise for
> companies to hire us, either individually or as a group, to provide
> and custom enhancements to these projects.
> I'm offering this site to host the Cocoon web site you're talking about,
> it shares the same vision I had when I started it. We have 1Gb of
> space available and 10Gb of transfer monthly, which should be plenty for
> time being. Unfortunately we have only 1 shell account available, but I
> think we can increase that to three accounts with little additional cost,
> which can then be shared among us.
> I already have a CVS repository setup for multiple developers, we can
> mailing lists and setup a Cocoon hosting environment for Cocoon apps.
> Please let me know if this is something which might interest you.
> Regards,
> --
> Ovidiu Predescu <>
> (Weblog)
> (Apache, GNU,
> On 8/8/02 7:01 AM, "Steven Noels" <> wrote:
> > Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
> >
> >> Or sourceforge?
> >>
> >> We should not use the cocoon cvs for cocoon-apps, I don't
> >> now the official "apache policy" on this. It is very good
> >> to have a cocoon-apps area, but I don't want to give all
> >> 'cocoon-apps' committers also access to cocoon itself.
> >> So it must be separated.
> >
> > Sourceforge is good as a development environment, but it will not give
> > us the means of *showcasing* Cocoon apps. We will end up with
> > (hopefully) some portal site, but a miriad of little project sites
> > around this. I think Cocoon will be served better if we can group all
> > these applications under one umbrelle.
> >
> > OK, here's my deal:
> >
> > I'm dreaming of a Cocoon application development community, comparable
> > to SF, with CVS, mailinglists, and a Cocoon-app deployment environment.
> > I've been dreaming about this for the past few weeks and did some
> > homework. I've been figuring out the costs of hosting such a machine and
> > securing it sufficiently, and I might even consider to jumpstart this
> > entirely on our (=outerthought) own budget. No big iron server to start
> > with, of course, just as CocoDocoWiki is run right now.
> >
> > Consider it to be CocoKrysalis. Now if other companies are willing to
> > co-sponsor this, they are welcome. This will cost *real* money.
> >
> > In terms of opportunity management, it might not be wise to post such
> > statements knowing I'm going offline in a few hours. But since the
> > opportunity is there, and we are being confronted with the need for such
> > an environment, I hope you will give me some time to gather all this in
> > some plan, and come back to it in a few weeks. I'm dead-serious about
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