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Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 12:26:13 +0200
From: Stefano Mazzocchi <stefano@apache.org>
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Subject: Re: [RT] Cocoon Blocks, Flow, Sitemap, MVC+... ACE?
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Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> 
> These are two approaches that I find interesting to evaluate:
> 
>   * webml:  http://webml.elet.polimi.it/webml/index.html
> 
>   ("Web Modeling Language (WebML) is a notation for specifying
>     complex Web sites at the conceptual level.
>     WebML enables the high-level description of a Web site
>     along multiple dimensions:
> 
>      * Its data content (structural model)
>      * The pages that compose it (composition model)
>      * The topology of links between pages (navigation model)
>      * The layout and graphic requirements for page rendering
>        (presentation model)
>      * The customization features for one-to-one content delivery
>        (personalization model))

>>From the first lines of the manual:

<quote>
This document presents the models and languages for the design of WebML
applications. WebML assumes a step-by-step approach to the specification
of data-intensive Web sites, where each step addresses a distinct
perspective of modelling.
</quote>

In short, the 'web' in WebML should be replaced with "data-intensive
web".

Also, after a brief look, I think the entire concept is very weak. Sure,
they aim at total SoC, but they start from the wrong perspective: their
framework is *focused* on data-driven web sites. Their focus is mostly
in moving the 'entity-relationship' model to the web and provide a
simple way to map the two.

I honestly didn't see anything we can borrow from their effort since
it's too specific for us.

NOTE: from what I saw, it would be pretty straightforward to implement a
WebML framework on top of Cocoon.

>   * Project Ace: http://research.sun.com/features/ace/
> 
>   ("Object-oriented development and code reuse techniques
>      were supposed to increase the productivity of developers.
>      But today, programmers still face huge and
>      growing backlogs ... it's time for a better solution".)

Sounds like big time vaporware to me: where is the meat?

> As for semantical searches:
> 
>   *  Conceptual Indexing: http://research.sun.com/knowledge/

what does this have to do with the title?

Ok brainstorming, but let's try to keep at least focused.

-- 
Stefano Mazzocchi      One must still have chaos in oneself to be
                          able to give birth to a dancing star.
<stefano@apache.org>                             Friedrich Nietzsche
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