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From Stefano Mazzocchi <>
Subject Re: [RT] Cocoon Blocks, Flow, Sitemap, MVC+... ACE?
Date Sat, 06 Jul 2002 10:26:13 GMT
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> These are two approaches that I find interesting to evaluate:
>   * webml:
>   ("Web Modeling Language (WebML) is a notation for specifying
>     complex Web sites at the conceptual level.
>     WebML enables the high-level description of a Web site
>     along multiple dimensions:
>      * Its data content (structural model)
>      * The pages that compose it (composition model)
>      * The topology of links between pages (navigation model)
>      * The layout and graphic requirements for page rendering
>        (presentation model)
>      * The customization features for one-to-one content delivery
>        (personalization model))

>>From the first lines of the manual:

This document presents the models and languages for the design of WebML
applications. WebML assumes a step-by-step approach to the specification
of data-intensive Web sites, where each step addresses a distinct
perspective of modelling.

In short, the 'web' in WebML should be replaced with "data-intensive

Also, after a brief look, I think the entire concept is very weak. Sure,
they aim at total SoC, but they start from the wrong perspective: their
framework is *focused* on data-driven web sites. Their focus is mostly
in moving the 'entity-relationship' model to the web and provide a
simple way to map the two.

I honestly didn't see anything we can borrow from their effort since
it's too specific for us.

NOTE: from what I saw, it would be pretty straightforward to implement a
WebML framework on top of Cocoon.

>   * Project Ace:
>   ("Object-oriented development and code reuse techniques
>      were supposed to increase the productivity of developers.
>      But today, programmers still face huge and
>      growing backlogs ... it's time for a better solution".)

Sounds like big time vaporware to me: where is the meat?

> As for semantical searches:
>   *  Conceptual Indexing:

what does this have to do with the title?

Ok brainstorming, but let's try to keep at least focused.

Stefano Mazzocchi      One must still have chaos in oneself to be
                          able to give birth to a dancing star.
<>                             Friedrich Nietzsche

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