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From "Berin Loritsch" <blorit...@apache.org>
Subject RE: [RT] Cocoon Integration Model
Date Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:36:06 GMT
I agree.  Business concepts--while mundane and not very exciting shows
how to solve 90% of the problems that Cocoon is likely to be used for.

One thing that the PetStore does is it integrates every aspect of J2EE
to
show how it can be done--not necessarily that it should be done.

Another reason for a PetStore style cocoon app is that it is a simple
concept that people can wrap their heads around.  One thing that we
can do is provide a cookie cutter style web store.  All you have to do
is change the skin and you can open up shop.  Cocoon can do this
far better than JPetStore.

Things like chess engines while definitely more entertaining aren't
going to show the average user how to get up and running with Cocoon
for real needs.  It also shows that we should be considered a novelty,
and not considered seriously--which is definitely not the message I
want put forth.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anthony W. Marino [mailto:anthony@AWMObjects.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 7:41 AM
> To: cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org; Piroumian Konstantin; 
> 'cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org'
> Subject: Re: [RT] Cocoon Integration Model
> 
> 
> My $0.02 is:
> A ) Create a Cocoon version of PetStore (XPetStore?) app 
> similar to what 
> JPetStore ( http://www.ibatis.com/jpetstore/jpetstore.html ) 
> has done.  This 
> gives developers insight into the capabilities of Cocoon in a 
> digestable 
> manner.
> 
> B ) In order for Cocoon to make it in a huge way I believe 
> that there needs to 
> be buy-in from business entities (Mgmt types).  With that 
> said, I would 
> prefer to see some sort of business problem domain tackled.  
> Possibly a CRM 
> app with pda capabilites.
> 
> Anthony
> 
> 
> 
> > > From: TREGAN Fabien [mailto:Fabien.TREGAN@airbus.com]
> >
> > <snip what="very useful suggestions" />
> >
> > > >* Insert your own idea here.
> > >
> > > I've always thought that a Chess Webbapp would demonstrate Cocoon 
> > > power : -It has complexe application logic (you can check the
> > > validity of a move,
> > > you can get the whole state of the board from an XML db on
> > > only get 1 move
> > > and calculate the new board. I think that a standard XML
> > > allready exists for
> > > this)
> > > -SVG will display the board
> > > -Abstraction layer would allow to use differents rules (I
> > > like Go more than
> > > Chess :)
> > > -We can make PDF report of the game with all moves in text
> > > format + pictures
> > > of the board after strategic moves.
> > > -We can use the same presentation component with a game
> > > database or with an
> > > an inline multiplayer Chess client.
> > > -It's more fun than a screw-shop sample.
> >
> > I've been working on a gaming site a few years ago and if we had 
> > Cocoon that time our job would be much easier, cause we had 
> to format 
> > our games to fit different browsers resolutions, including WebTV 
> > (544px width), WebGate (576px), etc.
> >
> > Although your idea is very interesting, I don't think that 
> writing a 
> > Chess engine will be of any fun and it will be too complex for a 
> > demonstration application.
> >
> > IMO, the application should be business oriented, e.g. Banking, 
> > Billing, CRM, Reporting or so. We can questionnairre users 
> to see what 
> > is the most needed use-case.
> >
> > Konstantin
> >
> > > fabien.
> > >
> > >
> > > 
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