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From "Carsten Ziegeler" <>
Subject RE: Links to commercial entities
Date Tue, 04 Jun 2002 11:58:26 GMT

Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
> <snip>
> Now, this said: I personally don't have any problem in having a page
> that lists companies that provide commercial services for Cocoon, as
> long as they deserve it. 
I agree here totally, but I see problems in finding out who deserves
it and who not. (There are some companies out there claiming themselfs 
to be Cocoon experts which have *NEVER* contributed anything to Cocoon.
And I think they really do not deserve it to be listed!)

> Unfortunately, there is no such thing as an ASF
> policy for those things and we are allowed to create our own.
> So, I would like to propose that a commercial entity that want to be
> listed on those pages *MUST* have submitted at least a patch in the CVS
> at some point and *MUST* be voted in by the committers.
A patch is one criteria, but perhaps there are more: what about people
answering many questions in the mailing lists but never submitting a
patch etc. This will be very difficult to decide, but we could try it :)

BUT: I don't want to vote on it for two reasons: (ok, I know, if I don't 
want to vote I don't have to). First: the community is not
really interested in these votes. So there won't be many votes for a
new entry, I fear. What do we do if only one says: +1 and all the
others remain silent?
But the other thing is that we might get into a competition between two
commercial entities. What if one entity is listed and perhaps 
represented by a committer and a competitor wants to be listed, too?
This might create some difficulties, but perhaps I'm too panicing (does
this work exists?) here. I personally have no problems with this, but
others might have (and perhaps the boss of that committer).

> This should remove abuses and keep things sane.
> What do you think?
As always: we should/could give it a try and see what happens.


Carsten Ziegeler     Chief Architect     Open Source Group, S&N AG
             Cocoon Consulting, Training and Projects

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