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From "Andy Lewis" <>
Subject Re: Links to commercial entities
Date Tue, 04 Jun 2002 13:54:07 GMT
I'm not a committer here - but I think this is a excellent way to handle

> Matthew Langham wrote:
>> I discussed this with Sylvain and we both were not sure of the Apache
>> side of things. Perhaps someone can comment on what is "allowed" in
>> the sense of "tolerated". Thanks.
> Ok, a few comments from an ASF member.
> NOTE: this is *not* official. Only the ASF board can state something
> officially about the ASF, but this is as official as I can get.
> First, Apache pays back with visibility, recognition, respect, credits
> and all the non-conservative resources that we can. Paying back with
> non-conservative resources (those that the sum is not constrained,
> unlike money) allows to remove friction from the communities that would
> otherwise develop.
> So, rule #1: as long as giving a resource to somebody doesn't remove
> anything from somebody else, no friction will develop and we are all
> set.
> Second, Apache is a realist entity. There is no such thing as 'absolute
> freedom' (as some 'free software' persons advocate). In reality, you
> can't eat 'non-conservative resources', well, until we don't have
> startrek-like 'matter compilers', so there is an impedence mistmatch
> that must somehow be solved.
> We solved it by allowing people to 'use' their visibility (a
> non-conservative resource) to obtain conservative resources (mostly
> money, but also benefits, such as this very laptop that was kindly
> donated to me some time ago).
> Sure, there is the chance of 'abusing' this visibility. This the reason
> why the Apache License prevents you from "stealing" due credits (and
> avoid things like GNU/Linux debates) by abusing the name (you won't see
> a 'RedHat Apache', that's for sure).
> Still, there is no problem in letting people who deserve it to be
> listed someplace in the site.
>                              - o -
> Now, this said: I personally don't have any problem in having a page
> that lists companies that provide commercial services for Cocoon, as
> long as they deserve it. Unfortunately, there is no such thing as an
> ASF policy for those things and we are allowed to create our own.
> So, I would like to propose that a commercial entity that want to be
> listed on those pages *MUST* have submitted at least a patch in the CVS
> at some point and *MUST* be voted in by the committers.
> This should remove abuses and keep things sane.
> What do you think?
> --
> Stefano Mazzocchi      One must still have chaos in oneself to be
>                          able to give birth to a dancing star.
> <>                             Friedrich Nietzsche
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