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From Stefano Mazzocchi <>
Subject Re: Document Gestation Process?
Date Sun, 05 May 2002 13:34:06 GMT
Robert Koberg wrote:
> Diana,
> after the committer-developers almost unanimously approved your
> contributions they are now trying to stifle them. To me this seems
> silly... You are trying to turn something amatuer into something
> professional. It does not seem that the developers actually want this??
> run while you can... This is going to be an up-hill battle...

There is a big difference, IMO, between people warmly discuss about
something with a newcomer and people bashing his/her efforts.

Understanding the social dynamics that produce value in a volunteer
software-making community is not an easy task. It normally takes years
of practice and many failures. I'm pretty sure that every committer on
this list can guarantee you that.

Now: you are interpreting the comments in the wrong sense and I'm very
happy to see Diana interpreting the comments in the right sense:
everybody is trying to *help* Diana in showing her that some of her
proposed processes don't fit in the rest of the community dynamics.

Also, there is no *ownership* of contribution, not here, not after it
has been thrown into the pot.

What sense would it make if Diana lost her time/energy/patience in
building a process that all the people who have more experience in open
dynamics believe it wouldn't work?

And tell me, where do they stifle her effort when they try to *patch* it
and adapt it to a model that they believe it could work better? (and
save her time, energy and frustration?)

Sure it's going up-hill, but this is not a battle, it's a journey that
we all volunteered to follow (happily, otherwise none of us would be

Your comments should only make your realize how much harder it is to
manage a group of volunteers that can do and write whatever they want,
when they want and how they want. Applying the same exact process used
in other more structured environments is just a simplicistic assumption.

Can the model work for documentation as well as it did for software? I
honestly don't know, but I have faith in this community and this is all
that matters to me.

Stefano Mazzocchi      One must still have chaos in oneself to be
                          able to give birth to a dancing star.
<>                             Friedrich Nietzsche

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