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From Ovidiu Predescu <ovi...@cup.hp.com>
Subject Re: [C2.1] Moving scratchpad goodies to main trunk
Date Fri, 17 May 2002 23:59:56 GMT
Good points!

OK, I'll move the Schecoon stuff in the main trunk, and I'll bear all
the consequences of this act ;) I'll try to do it over this week-end
if the Schecoon code builds and runs fine with the latest HEAD.

I'll also add the Anteater-based test suite code I have for
it. Hopefully people will start using it to test more Cocoon stuff
with it. I'm still working on Anteater documentation, and some more
features added to it.

Greetings,
Ovidiu

On Fri, 17 May 2002 12:19:19 +0200, "Nicola Ken Barozzi" <nicolaken@apache.org> wrote:

> From: "Torsten Curdt" <tcurdt@dff.st>
> 
> <snip/>
> 
> > > Without more documentation and some compelling, real life examples for
> > > Schecoon, I'm -1 on moving it to the main trunk. It would mean only a
> > > lot of headaches for me to maintain it, as nobody else seems to be
> > > really familiar with its internals. I know, it's a chicken and egg
> > > problem, if it doesn't have enough visibility it will never get used
> > > and understood well enough to have developers working on it. But I
> > > just don't have enough time to manage all these. So much stuff to do,
> > > so little time...
> >
> > Same goes for the form (XMLForm, precept) stuff...
> >
> > I think moving over into the main trunk also means some kinda "contract of
> > interfaces". For me it feels much better to have in scratchpad still...
> 
> My 2 cents:
> 
> Open source is about itch scratching, and with no itches, there is no
> scratching.
> We need to get more people to work on it, more people interested.
> Scratchpad stuff is a one-man-show thing, or anyway limited, as the help
> Ovidiu has had on his excellent work has clearly shown.
> 
> If we move it when it's perfect, nobody will look at it.
> 
> So, IMNSHO, your comments make me want to have the code in HEAD even more.
> 
> I was -1 for charting for a different reason, since I just submitted the new
> codebase now. And I will move it very, very soon.
>
> >>I know, it's a chicken and egg
> > > problem, if it doesn't have enough visibility it will never get used
> > > and understood well enough to have developers working on it.
> 
> In firms, you throw more resources at it.
> Our resources are contributors, and we need to get them involved.
> 
> > >But I
> > > just don't have enough time to manage all these. So much stuff to do,
> > > so little time...
> 
> There are so many good programmers, I think many will be able to understand
> it themselves.
> 
> IMO your -1s don't stand, even more now that 2.1 is in ALPHA.
> 
> --
> Nicola Ken Barozzi                   nicolaken@apache.org
>             - verba volant, scripta manent -
>    (discussions get forgotten, just code remains)
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