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From "Ivelin Ivanov" <ive...@apache.org>
Subject Fw: [Workflow] Is this project still active?
Date Wed, 22 May 2002 02:08:28 GMT

For those that are not on the commons list, this may be interesting.
Especially for the Schecoon fans.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig R. McClanahan" <craigmcc@apache.org>
To: "Jakarta Commons Developers List" <commons-dev@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Workflow] Is this project still active?


>
>
> On Tue, 21 May 2002, Warner Onstine wrote:
>
> > Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 18:21:30 -0700
> > From: Warner Onstine <sw-list@warneronstine.com>
> > Reply-To: Jakarta Commons Developers List
<commons-dev@jakarta.apache.org>
> > To: Jakarta Commons Developers List <commons-dev@jakarta.apache.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Workflow] Is this project still active?
> >
> > Since Craig hasn't answered I'll take a quick stab.
> >
> > This was originally launched while Craig was working on Struts, with
Struts
> > in mind. I'm not sure if there is some newer stuff over there (just did
a
> > quick search through my archive and there are quite a few threads on
> > workflow floating around).
> >
> > Bottom-line is I'm not sure Craig has the time (now that he has new
> > responsibilities at Sun) and I haven't seen any commits on it in a
while.
> >
>
> That's a pretty good summary of the current situation :-(.
>
> For those of you not on Tomcat or Struts mailing lists, my "new
> responsibilities" include being the spec lead for JavaServer Faces
> (JSR-127), as well as being the web layer architect for all of J2EE.
> Among other things, that's going to take me pretty much out of the coding
> business on Tomcat, but will still leave me some time for Struts (funny
> thing ... lots of people are very interested in how well Faces and Struts
> will play together :-).
>
> > Now, I'm not saying it should go away (I would like to work on it
myself,
> > but with Turbine in mind), but it has been a while since it's last
update
> > (about 4 months from what I can tell).
> >
> > If I were going to tackle it, I would first look at making the rulesets
> > better. ie - probably use a real Rules Engine or something of that sort.
But
> > I don't know what Craig is looking for long-term.
> >
> > Then again, I'm not associated with this project, just highly
interested, so
> > take with a big grain of salt =).
> >
>
> One thing that has changed a *lot* since I started the workflow thing is
> the number of different choices for embedding scripting languages into
> Java application servers.  If we can find one (or even a plug-in
> framework for multiple languages) that is suitable for writing the
> workflow control scripts, that's probably a better choice than inventing
> YAXBSL ("yet another XML-based scripting language").  For example, using
> the expression language syntax from JSTL would clearly be better than the
> existing primitive Step implementations for control flow and looping.
>
> The only interesting technical challenge is the implementation of the
> "suspend" capability, so that you can have a single workflow script that
> lasts longer than a single HTTP request.  If that can be solved easily, we
> can leverage the investments in one or more of the existing scripting
> languages and focus on adapting that to managing multi-page HTTP
> interactions, which was my primary motivation in the first place ...
>
> If someone else shared that same vision, I'd happily cheer from the
> sidelines and offer whatever time I can to help ... but in terms of
> leading this, it's going to be a while before that is practical for me.
>
> > -warner
> >
>
> Craig
>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Chisholm" <david_chisholm@i2.com>
> > To: "Jakarta Commons Developers List" <commons-dev@jakarta.apache.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 3:36 AM
> > Subject: [Workflow] Is this project still active?
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I'm interested in what is proposed by the workflow project, but it
doesn't
> > > look like anything has been updated on it this year. Are there plans
to
> > > continue development of workflow?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > David
> > >
> > >
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