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From "Ivelin Ivanov" <>
Subject Re: New Technologies Sample App
Date Wed, 29 May 2002 13:39:06 GMT

All the new and cool projects that you mention already have sample apps and
documentation (even XMLForm, in 2.1 under

However, you noticed correctly that there is not one big app to demonstrate
successfully how all these can work together: Portal, Schecoon, XMLForm,
i18n, etc..

I welcome your initiative and will try to support you with answers for the
XMLForm part.

Maybe one thing to watch for is Forrest. If you look at the "dream list", it
seems like a pretty serious candidate for the CMS you're going after.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Topping" <>
To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 4:21 AM
Subject: New Technologies Sample App

Wow, I looked away for a few weeks and there are all these new technologies
on Cocoon!  Forrest, XMLForm, the sunShine initiative -- wow!!

I'm sitting here thinking that I want to use these technologies on the site
I am bringing together.  I understand that they may not be ready for prime
time, but I'm finding that the alternatives (i.e. Jetspeed) need enough
rework that they could lose whatever robustness they might have had to start
with.  If I'm not the only one thinking this, there is probably some
critical mass waiting to explode here!

So since I am going to be pulling together an application for my work, it
seemed to make sense to publish the app skeleton under scratchpad.  The idea
would be a "best practices" application that could 1) showcase the
technologies, 2) form an integration laboratory to ensure the technologies
that are involved grow together instead of away from each other (ala Gump),
and 3) possibly become a target in a JUnit test regimen for nightly builds.

If that sounds good so far, I'm interested in getting a pulse on what
projects ought to be at the party.  The goal of my outside project is
actually a commerce-enabled CMS portal.  This would be like where
some items are only available to paying subscribers.  So I see that I would
want to use the sunRise for authentication to those areas, and sunSpot for
the portal functionality.  The forms to be completed to establish an account
would be done through XMLForms (haven't been able to find the documentation
on it yet, but I'm still looking).  I'm not too familiar yet with Schecoon,
but since the app needs to be built using MVC, if we can wedge it in, all
the better.  It would be great to get a CMS into the mix, one that could
trigger Forrest to generate and deploy as many static pages that need to be,
based on changes in the CMS.  Finally, the entire project should be
documented with Forrest, although I have to admit wishing that we had
something like Maven in place because of the build system elements...

Am I missing any projects that would benefit the demonstration application?
Anything that makes development easier?  When this is done, someone should
be able to quickly generate a Cocoon application by using this project as

Any all comments / suggestions / OT / RT welcome and appreciated!


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