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From "Ivelin Ivanov" <ive...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [C2.1] Moving scratchpad goodies to main trunk
Date Fri, 17 May 2002 18:49:57 GMT

I want to second Nicola.

Since XMLForm was announced it was improved greatly by different people.
Just look at the activity on the list.

There was no way I would have improved it myself in such a short time.
Furthermore I wouldn't even bother to touch it if I didn't know that someone
is interested in it.

It is in a usable state, just good enough to be exposed to a wider audience
which will help perfect it.


Regards,

Ivelin





----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicola Ken Barozzi" <nicolaken@apache.org>
To: <cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org>
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 5:19 AM
Subject: Re: [C2.1] Moving scratchpad goodies to main trunk


> From: "Torsten Curdt" <tcurdt@dff.st>
>
> <snip/>
>
> > > Without more documentation and some compelling, real life examples for
> > > Schecoon, I'm -1 on moving it to the main trunk. It would mean only a
> > > lot of headaches for me to maintain it, as nobody else seems to be
> > > really familiar with its internals. I know, it's a chicken and egg
> > > problem, if it doesn't have enough visibility it will never get used
> > > and understood well enough to have developers working on it. But I
> > > just don't have enough time to manage all these. So much stuff to do,
> > > so little time...
> >
> > Same goes for the form (XMLForm, precept) stuff...
> >
> > I think moving over into the main trunk also means some kinda "contract
of
> > interfaces". For me it feels much better to have in scratchpad still...
>
> My 2 cents:
>
> Open source is about itch scratching, and with no itches, there is no
> scratching.
> We need to get more people to work on it, more people interested.
> Scratchpad stuff is a one-man-show thing, or anyway limited, as the help
> Ovidiu has had on his excellent work has clearly shown.
>
> If we move it when it's perfect, nobody will look at it.
>
> So, IMNSHO, your comments make me want to have the code in HEAD even more.
>
> I was -1 for charting for a different reason, since I just submitted the
new
> codebase now. And I will move it very, very soon.
>
> >>I know, it's a chicken and egg
> > > problem, if it doesn't have enough visibility it will never get used
> > > and understood well enough to have developers working on it.
>
> In firms, you throw more resources at it.
> Our resources are contributors, and we need to get them involved.
>
> > >But I
> > > just don't have enough time to manage all these. So much stuff to do,
> > > so little time...
>
> There are so many good programmers, I think many will be able to
understand
> it themselves.
>
> IMO your -1s don't stand, even more now that 2.1 is in ALPHA.
>
> --
> Nicola Ken Barozzi                   nicolaken@apache.org
>             - verba volant, scripta manent -
>    (discussions get forgotten, just code remains)
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