Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-xml-cocoon-dev-archive@xml.apache.org Received: (qmail 79630 invoked by uid 500); 11 Apr 2002 17:08:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact cocoon-dev-help@xml.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Reply-To: cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org Received: (qmail 79619 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2002 17:08:28 -0000 X-Antivirus-Data: Virus data file v4189 created Mar 06 2002 Message-ID: <3CB56D45.D829D277@apache.org> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:02:29 +0200 From: Stefano Mazzocchi X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org Subject: Re: Ranting on a Wednesday evening [was: RE: Cocoon MarketingPosition] References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Uli Mayring wrote: > > On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Steven Noels wrote: > > > * +/- 1800 mails / month on cocoon-dev > > * admittedly, only +/- 1000 mails / month on cocoon-users > > FWIW: > > #absolute number of postings (03/2001 - 03/2002) > /average number of postings per month for this 13-month period > > user = user mailing list > dev = developer mailing list > > Project #user #dev /user /dev ratio > Xalan 1282 10825 99 833 0.2 > Ant 13829 18143 1064 1396 0.8 > Cocoon 14504 18083 1116 1387 0.8 > Velocity 5866 3938 451 303 1.5 > Tomcat 41090 20315 3160 1563 2.0 > Soap 8974 3355 690 258 2.7 > Struts 25535 5379 1964 414 4.7 > Zope 27651 5915 2127 455 4.7 > > Yep, Cocoon is definitely a developer technology. Users go elsewhere. Any > other interpretations of these numbers? > > Now let's take a look at the historical development of Cocoon's numbers. I > have two 13-month periods here, the topmost is the one from above and > below is the previous 13-month period: > > Period #user #dev /user /dev ratio > 2001/2002 14504 18083 1116 1387 0.8 > 2000/2001 15664 10505 1205 808 1.5 > > While development has substantially increased, usage has remained > constant. Conclusion? Interesting figures. Just one comment: would you venture to state that Ant is a developer technology while Struts is a user technology? Anyway, I would not imagine having to substain the pressure of that 4.7 ratio: it would definately place development to a halt and we are not ready for that. -- Stefano Mazzocchi One must still have chaos in oneself to be able to give birth to a dancing star. Friedrich Nietzsche -------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: cocoon-dev-unsubscribe@xml.apache.org For additional commands, email: cocoon-dev-help@xml.apache.org