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Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 23:02:12 +0200
From: Stefano Mazzocchi <stefano@apache.org>
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Jason Foster wrote:
> 
> > The ability to nest one into the other allows something that is not
> > possible today: since there are frameworks that are web-app focused and
> > frameworks that are publishing-focues. Cocoon will do both *together*
> > with seamless integration and elegant coherence.
> 
> This is an area that has the potential be awfully confusing to new users.
> One thing that might help would be to "place" Cocoon with respect to other
> web application frameworks.  I haven't used many frameworks (too much "roll
> my own" I guess), but from what I understand the following describes some
> of the alternatives:
> 
> WebObjects
> - you code everything in a procedural language and the runtime handles
> "continuations"
> - individual web pages don't really exist
> 
> ColdFusion
> - doesn't know about web applications, so you roll your own using "state
> machine" approaches
> - lets you create single pages with embedded scripting
> 
> ASP
> - doesn't know about web applications, so you roll your own using "state
> machine" approaches
> - lets you create single pages with embedded scripting
> 
> There have to be other alternatives out there that I don't know about.  To
> this we can add:
> 
> Cocoon
> - you code your *logic* in a procedural language and the runtime handles
> "continuations"
> - you code your *presentation* as individual web pages created using
> transformations and/or embedded scripting
> - the logic can make use of the presentation, which in turn can continue
> the logic
> 
> In a simplistic description, Cocoon is the fusion of WebObjects and
> ColdFusion :)

It's much more than that, but I think it's a good explaination for
people that are new to such complex systems.

-- 
Stefano Mazzocchi      One must still have chaos in oneself to be
                          able to give birth to a dancing star.
<stefano@apache.org>                             Friedrich Nietzsche
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