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From Uli Mayring <>
Subject Re: Ranting on a Wednesday evening [was: RE: Cocoon MarketingPosition]
Date Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:35:14 GMT
On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:

> Just one comment: would you venture to state that Ant is a developer
> technology while Struts is a user technology?

Ant is a developer technology for the purposes of writing on the mailing
lists. Regular users download binary versions usually, so they won't need
ant for building. And even if they build from sources, they might have ant
around for the job, but they don't work with it intensively so that
questions might arise for the mailing list. I venture that only
developers, who write their own build scripts, will join the mailing list.
So in that context ant is a developer technology.

Struts is a user technology in the sense that people download it and make
web pages or web apps with it. Then something doesn't work as expected or
they don't know about a feature, so they join the mailing list. I admit
that framework users are always developers to a certain extent and that
seperates struts and ant users in this context.

> Anyway, I would not imagine having to substain the pressure of that 4.7
> ratio: it would definately place development to a halt and we are not
> ready for that.

These are just numbers, interpretation can be difficult. Maybe the ratio
is so high, because the developers have largely left the project? Or maybe
the thing is fairly complete, not much to develop anymore? Maybe
documentation and functionality is so good, that only very few users will
join the mailing list and ask questions? Maybe it is too complicated, so
only expert users stick around?

That is the problem with numbers. They don't lie, but human interpretation


Ulrich Mayring
DENIC eG, Softwareentwicklung

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