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From Piroumian Konstantin <>
Subject RE: Ranting on a Wednesday evening [was: RE: Cocoon Marketing Pos ition]
Date Fri, 12 Apr 2002 07:58:45 GMT
> From: Diana Shannon [] 
> Simeon Walker wrote:
> > AS a user I can say that it's very hard to use Cocoon. Don't
> > get me wrong, *I* love it and I can see the potential, but I
> > think that many potential users will look at it and think
> > 'christ I'm never going to figure all that out' and then leave.
> There are so many layers and levels of learning within Cocoon for new 
> users. While it may seem appropriate for frustrated, vocal newbies to 
> point the finger at Cocoon generally or its documentation 
> specifically, 
> many times this blame is misplaced. If you peer through the 
> smoke screen 
> of their "Cocoon frustration," there's often a more 
> fundamental source 
> of the problem. Most obvious are lack of experience with servlet 
> containers, server configuration issues, XML/XSLT, logging 
> and debugging 
> practices, etc. While it's not the responsibility of the Cocoon 
> community to educate newbies in all of these fundamentals, I think we 
> could provide a road map for mastering it, with suggestions on what 
> skills and learning is needed -- both inside and outside of Cocoon -- 
> along the way. This could be something like an author's 
> description of 
> the intended reader in a "Who you are" introduction to a 
> technical book 
> book, but targeted at the many different levels and skill 
> sets of users.
> Perhaps many new users fail to realize is that you can use Cocoon in 
> very simple ways at first and gradually add complexity as your 
> comfort/knowledge increases. I have set up Cocoon-based web sites for 
> clients who have but an elementary understanding of XML. 
> Still, Cocoon's 
> wonderful SoC allow them to maintain their web sites almost  
> completely 
> (although I do jump in from time to time to add new features).
> If a "learning road map for newbies"  would be of some 
> utility, I'd be 
> happy to provide a first draft.

You're welcome!


> Diana Shannon
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