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From Ovidiu Predescu <>
Subject Re: [RT] Forms and wizards (was: RE: HEADS UP - cocoon form handling (long!!))
Date Mon, 15 Apr 2002 17:39:27 GMT
On Mon, 15 Apr 2002 07:35:01 -0400, Diana Shannon <> wrote:

> Ovidiu Predescu wrote:
> > Also I think it's a
> > lot easier for new users to come up to speed on such an approach,
> > compared to the similar sitemap-based implementation.
> I think this is a crucial point. At first, I was too invested in my 
> "sitemap on steroids" to begin to appreciate the freedom and elegance of 
> Ovidiu's flow map. Try to think back what it might be like if you were 
> learning Cocoon for the first time. When you hold up many of the 
> informative examples (on this list to date) of the two approaches, 
> Schecoon would be so much more compelling for a newbie, at least in my 
> opinion. (And, I don't think the fact it requires Javascript is a 
> hurdle, given the likelihood of most people's prior experience on the 
> client-side.) In my early experiences with the sitemap, I really 
> resented having to sift around code to understand/remember how this or 
> that compiled action worked -- even if I had programmed it myself. I had 
> to build lots of pipelines before I could abstract the problem down to 
> the correct and elegant few that I actually needed. It took me a week to 
> get my wizard working satisfactorily (ok, I may be a slow learner, but 
> this was before the public efforts of others on this list). With the 
> flow map, prototyping/experimenting is a delight. I just feel I spend 
> more time on the problem I'm trying to solve, not the implementation. 
> Now that I've played with Schecoon, returning to a sitemap-only approach 
> feels, well, burdensome.

Thanks a lot, Diana! I hope other people will share the same Schecoon
experience as yours!

Ovidiu Predescu <> (GNU, Emacs, other stuff)

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