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From "Ivelin Ivanov" <>
Subject Re: continuation fear (was Re: [status & RT] design challenges)
Date Wed, 10 Apr 2002 02:25:30 GMT

That's the spirit.

When you are in doubt if Cocoon is good for your future ...
... think that a cocoon eventually turns into a butterfly.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stefano Mazzocchi" <>
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: continuation fear (was Re: [status & RT] design challenges)

> Konstantin Piroumian wrote:
> > Cocoon still loses users and it's very sad ;(
> Ehm, don't know about you guys, but I feel this community rather
> appreciated if people decide *not* to use the software, but decided to
> keep subscribed on this list.
> It's much better than in the past were people decided not to use Cocoon
> for their webapps but they didn't even bother telling us why.
> I really can't find anything to be sad about: struts (and turbine and
> others) might be solid and extensively used webapp frameworks and Cocoon
> forces you to a big paradigm shift compared to JSP.
> Anyway, it's not proven that Cocoon increases productivity and reduces
> development and maintenance costs.
> But I believe that it can be proven (by experience) that Cocooon scales
> much more the more people you add in the workgroup and the more
> different skills they have (normally in webapp development, the group is
> not much and the skills are pretty equal among the people involved).
> Finally, two things: Cocoon is not 100% elegant for webapps and we are
> prefectly aware of this, but we are working on it. And, last, it's
> always a matter of taste and environment: if you find Cocoon useful, use
> it, if not, well, don't :)
> But IMHO, the fact that this community keeps on growing is *the* real
> indication of the health of this project.
> -- 
> Stefano Mazzocchi      One must still have chaos in oneself to be
>                           able to give birth to a dancing star.
> <>                             Friedrich Nietzsche
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