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From "Ivelin Ivanov" <>
Subject Re: continuation fear (was Re: [status & RT] design challenges)
Date Wed, 10 Apr 2002 02:53:25 GMT

I am glad I provoked you to add more to the list of things which should go
on the front page.
I think you understand enough of the high level Cocoon concepts to write up
a marketing text.
Actually I think it might be good that you don't know the internals yet.
The more you learn internals the more you get confused which part of Cocoon
is cooler than the others :)

If you come up with a nice cover text,
I will give my vote for merging it into the front page.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Mikhail Fedotov" <>
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: continuation fear (was Re: [status & RT] design challenges)

> > Mikhail,
> >
> > Very strong points and I agree mostly.
> >
> > Are you interested to step on the plate and write a
> > marketing version of the
> > front page as you like it to look?
> >
> > Please, say yes ;)
> I would be glad to but I have no sufficient expirence
> except learning stuff from books and some careful reading
> or others writing. Some training also counts, but that's
> all.
> That I can say for sure is that Struts main page is very
> carefully designed in terms of that should be placed on
> top, that should go next, and so on - it gives a hint about
> order in which things (and that things) should be
> presented.
> Maybe it is reasonable to copy _information structure_ from
> Struts page and replace Struts stuff with Cocoon stuff, and
> then change it if need. For example, our "horses" (imho)
> could be XML/W3C, in place of JSP/Sun for Struts. Sun makes
> standards for Java, but W3C makes standards for the whole
> web. SVG, XHTML, XML, XSLT, a lot of stuff that Cocoon uses
> was born at W3C. Cocoon allows use of most advanced W3C
> tecnhologies in a way that most other frameworks still
> can't provide, this fact can be used. W3C gave life to
> XHTML, and W3C gave life to XML/XSLT, but the latter ones
> still are supported by Cocoon better than in most other
> frameworks like Struts.
> In short: there is a good example of good main page around
> here, and if we can replace it's information by our
> information and then add some stuff unique to Cocoon, it
> will be a good thing. Good step to make Cocoon more popular
> and simplify comparing it to Struts and other frameworks.
> Mikhail
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