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From Sylvain Wallez <>
Subject Re: Wyona / Xopus
Date Fri, 08 Mar 2002 09:44:14 GMT
memo wrote:

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Jeremy Quinn []
>>Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 15:30
>-- snip
>>At 2:48 pm +0100 7/3/02, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
>>>The Wyona guys also have form-based editing... which no matter what, I
>>>can't get to like. The fact that I can't make something 'strong' in the
>>>middle of a form makes me puke, no matter what.
>>This is the kind of thing I am _aiming_ for with <slash-edit/>
>Well, I need to defend Martin's HTML form editor a little, as he won't do
>it. I know that it's not really impressive, but at least you *can* emphasize
>parts or insert links or even tables (!) anywhere you want, because the
>editor supports XHTML in all input fields. The only thing missing ATM is a
>check for the well-formedness of the XHTML, if you make a mistake you can
>bring the whole application down (arrgh!), but I am working on that right
>now, and hope to finish it next week, if I get the chance to work with Wyona
>some more (if I don't, somebody else will finish it surely).
>Also, I believe that having a HTML-forms editor is always a good fallback,
>as for most other solutions, you will have to do some browser and platform
>specific hacks, which might need upgrading each time a new browser version
>comes out.
>On the other hand, I agree that the Xopus-kinda-stuff is immensely more
>sexy, and the Wyona CMS will definitely have at least one way to do some
>fancy inline editing. Even a way to do style editing in the same wysiwyg,
>inline way is planned for the future, as the general belief is that you
>cannot really rely on designers to be able to write proper XSL stylesheets.
>Just this morning, we have also been discussing about something like a
>Velocity2XsltTransformer. Then, at least, designers would have the
>possibility to use commercial tools like Dreamweaver to do their stuff. Any
>comments on that?
Yep. Just as graphic designers can't write JSP, they can't write XSL and 
you can't forbid them to use the commercial productivity tools they like.

In my company, we have extended Dreamweaver so that designers can place 
in their web pages some non-html attributes and elements that allows the 
"augmented page" to be compiled in an XSL stylesheet. These annotations 
are tied to a particular DTD of the input document, and we have various 
annotation sets for various DTDs (this is a concept similar to XSP taglibs).

This allows designers to use a wysiwyg graphical editor, and "write" XSL 
stylesheets without having to know the XSL language.



Sylvain Wallez
  Anyware Technologies                  Apache Cocoon 

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