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From Stefano Mazzocchi <>
Subject Re: Wyona / Xopus
Date Thu, 07 Mar 2002 13:48:19 GMT
Michael Homeijer wrote:
> Hi,
> A week ago anounced Xopus 2.0 (a great wysiwyg XML editor), it's
> going to be open-sourced!
> Yesterday anounced on the mailing list the first integration of
> Xopus 1.0 into the new Wyona CMS (a Cocoon 2.0 based CMS).
> I've seen a first version and it's great. It looks just like the Xopus
> demo's on the website.
> Just thought i'd let you know.
> It would be great to have a standard approach for handling forms this way in
> a Cocoon environment, where you can have a look and feel of forms depending
> on capabilities of your browser (standard HTML form, Xopus for IE 5.5+
> browsers (don't know requirements for 2.0), maybe a DHTML/Javascript
> solution or a plugin solution for mozilla).
> This could be an extra push to position Cocoon stronger in projects where
> the incoming flow of data is very important.

Xopus is *incredibly* cool! When I saw it last year at wyona's in
Zurich, I was litterarely blown away. Giacomo was there and he can
testify: and man, it's *hard* to impress me :)

Xopus is awesome because is entirely XML/XSLT/XMLSchema driven.
Everything running on the client side and posting XML results
(validated!) back. The XML is the model, the XSLT is the view and the
XMLSchema is the controller. MVC at the inline editing level. Brilliant,
elegant and great!

But works only on IE5.5+, only on windows, it works on top of MSXML 3.0+
*only*, it uses nonstandard javascript.... evolutionary-wise, it's like
shooting ourselves in the foot big time.

The Wyona guys also have form-based editing... which no matter what, I
can't get to like. The fact that I can't make something 'strong' in the
middle of a form makes me puke, no matter what.

Sure, you can write 'structured text' and let the system parse it...
yuck! we can do better than that.

There's no way out: Mozilla is the key. We must find a way to implement
Xopus concepts into Mozilla.

Now: if only we could write java XPCOM components :/

Bah, anyway, the wyona guys are telling me there is a company called
'bitflux' which is working on a 'Xopus Mozilla' version, but I've never
seen it and I greatly hope it's written as an XPCOM component otherwise
it simply won't work.

Ah, BTW: I'm going to dive into the mozilla source code in the next few

Wish me good luck: I might not find the way back! :)

[yes, people, in case you haven't noticed, my soul belongs to visual
stuff, things you can see. maybe a browser is the ultimate project I
always wanted to work on :)]

Ah, BTW, I'll be taking a speech at the first annual open source content
management systems conference in Zurich, March 21/22 2002

about 'enabling semantic searching', I plan to do *lots* of
brainstorming with the people there since a mozilla-based editor is
something that interests *every* CMS provider, no matter what
system/architecture/programming-language it's based on.

Hope to see many of you there.

Stefano Mazzocchi      One must still have chaos in oneself to be
                          able to give birth to a dancing star.
<>                             Friedrich Nietzsche

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