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From Stefano Mazzocchi <stef...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [RT] user-components.xconf
Date Wed, 06 Mar 2002 12:11:26 GMT
Torsten Curdt wrote:
> 
> > People, please, order!
> >
> > The sense/nonsense ratio in this thread is dangerously low.
> 
> Hm.. sorry, but I feel a bit defensive...
> 
> When thinking about the way the user-roles are currently used I think it's
> only straight forward also to have a user.xconf (whatever you like to call
> it). And the replies proove there is a requirement - so it makes perfect
> sense. (I'm a bit sensitive about the word nosense ;)
> 
> That this might not be sufficient is another story... but then the
> user-roles is also not enough anymore...
>
> > Torsten,
> >
> > I do see the need for componentized Cocoon apps, but in order to provide
> > this a significant number of things must change in Cocoon.
> 
> So what do yout think must change? We are talking about configuring
> components that are already known by the Cocoon CM (user-roles).
> So what's the big deal? Enlighten me...

What you are feeling is the perception that the cocoon system is highly
modular, but it's use of modularity is not as modular!

In short: the internals are modular, but the way you use these modules
is monolithic...

> > My idea is: let's make it a fully-baked solution, rather than a
> > half-baked 'it does what I need so I'm happy' one.
> 
> Hm... I think you have already more in mind that you willing to tell right
> now... So I forgive you ;)) and I'm looking forward for your RT on this.

My impression is: we must change the way the user uses cocoon's
modularity.

It's much greater concern and touches everything, ranging from CM,
sitemap mounting, flowmap mounting, Cocoon Blocks, Block polymorphism,
etc...

I have the feeling that without a global picture, we can't do a good
design.

Sorry, admittedly 'nonsense' was a bad term, but since I've given so
much thoughts on how to make this better, I wouldn't want you guys to
agree on something that overlaps with a bigger picture and might to in
the wrong direction because I didn't explain where I wanted to go
precisely.

So, please, I'll start a wider discussion and we'll decide what to do on
user roles there since it's part of the bigger picture.

-- 
Stefano Mazzocchi      One must still have chaos in oneself to be
                          able to give birth to a dancing star.
<stefano@apache.org>                             Friedrich Nietzsche
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