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From Stefano Mazzocchi <>
Subject Re: [RT] user-components.xconf
Date Wed, 06 Mar 2002 12:11:26 GMT
Torsten Curdt wrote:
> > People, please, order!
> >
> > The sense/nonsense ratio in this thread is dangerously low.
> Hm.. sorry, but I feel a bit defensive...
> When thinking about the way the user-roles are currently used I think it's
> only straight forward also to have a user.xconf (whatever you like to call
> it). And the replies proove there is a requirement - so it makes perfect
> sense. (I'm a bit sensitive about the word nosense ;)
> That this might not be sufficient is another story... but then the
> user-roles is also not enough anymore...
> > Torsten,
> >
> > I do see the need for componentized Cocoon apps, but in order to provide
> > this a significant number of things must change in Cocoon.
> So what do yout think must change? We are talking about configuring
> components that are already known by the Cocoon CM (user-roles).
> So what's the big deal? Enlighten me...

What you are feeling is the perception that the cocoon system is highly
modular, but it's use of modularity is not as modular!

In short: the internals are modular, but the way you use these modules
is monolithic...

> > My idea is: let's make it a fully-baked solution, rather than a
> > half-baked 'it does what I need so I'm happy' one.
> Hm... I think you have already more in mind that you willing to tell right
> now... So I forgive you ;)) and I'm looking forward for your RT on this.

My impression is: we must change the way the user uses cocoon's

It's much greater concern and touches everything, ranging from CM,
sitemap mounting, flowmap mounting, Cocoon Blocks, Block polymorphism,

I have the feeling that without a global picture, we can't do a good

Sorry, admittedly 'nonsense' was a bad term, but since I've given so
much thoughts on how to make this better, I wouldn't want you guys to
agree on something that overlaps with a bigger picture and might to in
the wrong direction because I didn't explain where I wanted to go

So, please, I'll start a wider discussion and we'll decide what to do on
user roles there since it's part of the bigger picture.

Stefano Mazzocchi      One must still have chaos in oneself to be
                          able to give birth to a dancing star.
<>                             Friedrich Nietzsche

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