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From Jakob Praher ...@hapra.at>
Subject RE: Wyona / Xopus
Date Fri, 08 Mar 2002 19:52:12 GMT
Am Fre, 2002-03-08 um 14.48 schrieb scott_boag@us.ibm.com:
> 
> Just lurking... but I think I have a lead for an XForms
> (http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/) implementation that might be
> donation-to-apache material.  Are people interested?
this is a great idea.

> 
> Also, XForms just went into last call, so people should review in any case.
> 

> -scott
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>                       03/08/2002 04:27         Subject:  RE: Wyona / Xopus          
                                                  
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> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jeremy Quinn [mailto:jeremy@media.demon.co.uk]
> > Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 15:30
> 
> -- snip
> 
> > At 2:48 pm +0100 7/3/02, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
> > >The Wyona guys also have form-based editing... which no matter what, I
> > >can't get to like. The fact that I can't make something 'strong' in the
> > >middle of a form makes me puke, no matter what.
> >
> > This is the kind of thing I am _aiming_ for with <slash-edit/>
> >
> 
> Well, I need to defend Martin's HTML form editor a little, as he won't do
> it. I know that it's not really impressive, but at least you *can*
> emphasize
> parts or insert links or even tables (!) anywhere you want, because the
> editor supports XHTML in all input fields. The only thing missing ATM is a
> check for the well-formedness of the XHTML, if you make a mistake you can
> bring the whole application down (arrgh!), but I am working on that right
> now, and hope to finish it next week, if I get the chance to work with
> Wyona
> some more (if I don't, somebody else will finish it surely).
> 
> Also, I believe that having a HTML-forms editor is always a good fallback,
> as for most other solutions, you will have to do some browser and platform
> specific hacks, which might need upgrading each time a new browser version
> comes out.
> 
> On the other hand, I agree that the Xopus-kinda-stuff is immensely more
> sexy, and the Wyona CMS will definitely have at least one way to do some
> fancy inline editing. Even a way to do style editing in the same wysiwyg,
> inline way is planned for the future, as the general belief is that you
> cannot really rely on designers to be able to write proper XSL stylesheets.
> Just this morning, we have also been discussing about something like a
> Velocity2XsltTransformer. Then, at least, designers would have the
> possibility to use commercial tools like Dreamweaver to do their stuff. Any
> comments on that?
> 
> > >Sure, you can write 'structured text' and let the system parse it...
> > >yuck! we can do better than that.
> >
> > **| Yea ||^$£||I dont't want to |*|have|*| to || -- write -- like this
> > either ;)
> >
> > But you could make some very simple vocabularies that would be
> > useful, like
> > auto paragraphs, auto BRs, maybe things like !!this is strong!!,
> > who knows,
> > people have to start playing with it and come up with what is appropriate
> > to them.
> >
> 
> I don't think that inventing new languages all the time is helping the
> development. We should use something that is already there, and easy to
> use,
> like Velocity or XHTML for example. Any other ideas?
> 
> > I still want to be able to have editors accessing link and image
> > glossaries
> > and the like in their content, and simple stuff like strong and emphasis,
> > so I am still aiming to make this work in normal forms.
> >
> > >There's no way out: Mozilla is the key. We must find a way to implement
> > >Xopus concepts into Mozilla.
> >
> > That would be wonderful!
> >
> 
> Mozilla forever! If only the mail client would support Ctrl-Enter for
> sending mail (sigh!) ;-)
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Memo
> 
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