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From "Ivelin Ivanov" <ive...@iname.com>
Subject Re: Live Site
Date Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:38:40 GMT

I am under the impression, that there are a lot more big sites out there
that use cocoon, which are not published on Cocoon's page of live sites.
One of the major draws to a product for me is its usage by sites with big
names.
Salon obviously is one.
I wouldn't think listing more live sites would be a show off contest, rather
it would really make a difference for Cocoon's recognition.

I would suggest that we come up with some way to encourage people to submit
more live sites.
A lot of good documentation can come from these too.
An example would be HP who use Cocoon in various places.
Like the BlueStone server which promotes cocoon:
http://www.bluestone.com/products/hp_web_services/developer/faq/general.htm#
10
And also this nice presentation by Pankaj Kumar, which gave me a jump start
on Cocoon's concepts:
http://www.pankaj-k.net/uc2/sld001.htm

Also Cocoon's site doesn't even mention that JBuilder 5+ has built-in
support for Cocoon. Why not?
JBuilder is still the top selling Java IDE.


Cheers,

Ivelin


----- Original Message -----
From: "Benjamin Grant" <bgrant@salon.com>
To: <cocoon-users@xml.apache.org>; <cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 9:39 PM
Subject: Live Site


>
> Well, an -almost- live site:
>
> http://dir.salon.com/
>
> We began working with cocoon, internally last year and experimented with
it
> quite a bit.
>
> Recently, we chose to re-engineer our Directory, which is a compilation of
> links to all of the articles we have published over the last six years.
This
> encompasses about 16,000 articles.   We realized we'd also benefit by
> re-publishing all of our old content in XML, as well.
>
> There are many reasons we opted to deploy Cocoon, and I hope to find the
time
> to write them all up sometime soon, along with a basic overview of how we
> deployed it, what kinds of code we had to/didn't have to write to do it,
> etc., in the hopes that it will assist others.
>
> We are still tuning and evolving the new Directory, and have only directed
a
> small amount of our public traffic to it.  Over the coming weeks, we
expect
> to make it fully live.   Our biggest challenge has not been in deploying
> Cocoon, but in re-publishing our old content, which is stored as
completely
> non-validated (read: sloppy) HTML fragments in an Oracle database.   Most
> likely we will have to re-publish a few more times to get things fully
> cleaned up.
>
> At some point in the future, we may contemplate switching our
> entire site over to Cocoon if the directory service proves stable and
> efficient under it.  In addition, we'll begin to make more use of Cocoon's
> features shortly; we've really only scratched the surface at this point.
>
> In the meantime, a big thanks goes out to all of the Cocoon users and
> developers who have made all of this possible.
>
> Regards,
>
> Benjamin Grant
> VP, Technology
> Salon
>
>
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